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Oldest light shows universe grew fast, researchers say [inflationary cosmology gets a big boost]
Houston Chronicle (www.chron.com) ^ | March 17, 2006 | Dennis O'Brien

Posted on 03/17/2006 3:46:30 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

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To: Rock N Jones

I believe the truth: No one has a clue.


61 posted on 03/17/2006 7:00:38 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
What do evolutionists think about teaching the idea that life may have originated from outer space? They already do teach the Big Bang theory, which is really an immaculate conception.

Well, "pan spermia" is where Frances Crick went when his studies of DNA began to produce findings that exceeded the limits of his science to adhere to evolution.

Of course, the origins of the "spermia" still leaves uncomfortable questions for evolutionist theorists. Like, we did not evolve, but someone else in a galaxy far far away.......did?
62 posted on 03/17/2006 7:04:34 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: AntiGuv
for one side simply to be laughably wrong

Blame it on the chemicals sloshing around our heads that creates the impression that we even exist. Of course, compared to the scale of universal time, 70 quick rotations around our local star might qualify as 'not existing'.

63 posted on 03/17/2006 7:06:40 AM PST by lemura
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To: snarks_when_bored

What about the universal constant-the speed of light? Where's Einstein when he's needed? This is truly baffling to non-astronomers like me.


64 posted on 03/17/2006 7:06:59 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: Paulus Invictus
What about the universal constant-the speed of light?

From what I've read, in inflation models, it's space itself which is coming into existence, hence the speed of light isn't a barrier. Stuff moving in space appears to be unable to exceed light's speed, but the expansion of space itself can.

65 posted on 03/17/2006 7:14:22 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored; Paulus Invictus

Not just space, but space-time altogether is coming into existence. The early universe did not 'travel' anywhere. It stretched out like a balloon or a bubble and light stretched out with it.


66 posted on 03/17/2006 7:17:33 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: lemura
Of course, compared to the scale of universal time, 70 quick rotations around our local star might qualify as 'not existing'.

Yup, which is why the very first priority should be figuring out a way to increase that number of rotations into at least the hundreds, if not the thousands and beyond!

That's also why I tend to get somewhat testy at times in these threads. I don't like ideas that distract from what should be the prime directive. :)

67 posted on 03/17/2006 7:23:11 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: AntiGuv
I purposely left 'time' out of my response. While it's true that at the origin point-instant of the Big Bang (should such there have been), spacetime itself came into existence, from what I've read, cosmologists don't seem to speak of time as also having expanded along with space (indeed, it's not clear what that might mean). An extremely small amount of time elapsed while the vast expansion of space occurred—that's what the gist of this result seems to me to be.

But, of course, I'm not a cosmologist, so everything I say should always be taken as the comments of an interested gawker.

68 posted on 03/17/2006 7:28:27 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: FerdieMurphy

True; but, only in perspective. If I'm having fun and you aren't, time passes at the same rate for both of us but it will seem more swift for me. How it seems is not how it actually is. It is merely perspective. For you, having no fun makes the day into 1000 years. For me, the 1000 years is but a day in my fun. Perspective in plain language.


69 posted on 03/17/2006 7:34:02 AM PST by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: All
Sean Carroll has detailed comments:

WMAP results — cosmology makes sense!

70 posted on 03/17/2006 7:35:45 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

I was just thinking that my previous comments might seem harsh, but the point that I'm making is a simple one: If you want to be taken seriously, then support your statements. An unsupported statement is of no consequence in a scientific discussion, and IMO shouldn't be treated as such. If you want your personal opinions to be valued just of their own accord, then the best place for that is some kind of support group..


71 posted on 03/17/2006 7:36:45 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: All
The WMAP site:  New Three Year Results on the Oldest Light in the Universe

A nice pic from that site:


72 posted on 03/17/2006 7:42:16 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored; Sir Francis Dashwood; lemura; Rock N Jones; Paulus Invictus
I just posted this in the other thread, but it might be of interest to some here as well:

The Myth of the Beginning of Time: String theory suggests that the big bang was not the origin of the universe but simply the outcome of a preexisting state.

And, so far as what I said above, I shouldn't have said "no one has a clue" (someone might, for all I know), but rather: No one knows for sure.

73 posted on 03/17/2006 7:44:49 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: AntiGuv

Thanks for posting that link, AntiGuv.


74 posted on 03/17/2006 7:51:40 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored; Sir Francis Dashwood; lemura; Rock N Jones; Paulus Invictus; The_Victor; ...

I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's an excellent introduction to String Theory written by its founder, so I hope people find it of interest.


75 posted on 03/17/2006 8:06:31 AM PST by AntiGuv
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bump for later reading


76 posted on 03/17/2006 8:09:48 AM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: AntiGuv

Are you saying that you believe in something that is
unable to be seen? How is that "empirically scientific"?


77 posted on 03/17/2006 8:15:15 AM PST by Getready
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To: pageonetoo

> It is much easier to believe in God...

Fortunately, scientists are not interested in what's "easy." Same goes for many FReepers: we want the facts, even if they're hard.


78 posted on 03/17/2006 9:22:53 AM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: Getready

"Are you saying that you believe in something that is
unable to be seen? How is that "empirically scientific"?"

Nobody has seen a proton. Is the proton not part of science?


79 posted on 03/17/2006 9:32:11 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

What's with this cr@p?!

On crevo threads we're constantly being pestered by posters who seem to think that cosmology has something to do with biology.

Now you posting about "evolutionists" and "the starting point for all life " on a thread that was previously about cosmology.


80 posted on 03/17/2006 10:44:57 AM PST by Virginia-American
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