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Senators near compromise on immigration reform (HERE IT COMES)
REUTERS ^ | 16 March 2006 | Donna Smith

Posted on 03/16/2006 1:51:16 PM PST by VU4G10

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To: american spirit
If most Americans knew that illegals were getting tapayer financed benefits for housing, medical, etc. and are now being offered below market interest rates for home loans as well as the fact that thanks to Bush et al they will now receive Social Security benefits, even the dubest dumbed down Americans can figure this nonsense out......

As long as Americans get their socialism they don't seem to mind others getting it also. If we end the taxpayer subsidies altogether we will both be very happy. Buchananites always ignore the beneficial aspects of illegal immigration and that is why they can't stop it. We have 4.8% unemployment and the labor market is getting tighter with every aborted baby. Even if we could completely seal the Mexican border, it would not solve the labor vacuum that causes illegal immigration. Increasing legal immigration will do more to solve the problem than border security.

and I didn't even touch on the fact that more and more illegals are committing very heinous crimes against Americans.

I believe the fact that many workers in this country are considered criminals by there very existence, within our borders, contributes to their callous attitude toward our laws. I think a program that identifies them may reduce crime just in the act of documenting their existence, and at least free up resources to go after undocumented immigrants.

421 posted on 03/21/2006 2:40:24 PM PST by Once-Ler (Principled conservatives don't vote for $trillion budgets and blame Dubya for signing them.)
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To: Once-Ler
My question to you was "Have you ever thought to ask yourself why the leaders of the anti-immigration movement can't get elected to statewide office much less be thought of as a national leader?" You have failed to answer my question.

What "anti-immigration movement" are you referring to here? Certainly nothing I was talking about.

[So you can conclude from that datum either a) that Bush and Kerry are the two most popular politicians in America, or b) that the two parties really do not serve the interests of the people. Assuming the latter (which I think would be the conclusion of most rational people)]

You assume too much. Including that your views are rational.

So you're going with a)? You really think that Bush and Kerry are the two most popular politicians in the country?

Wow.

422 posted on 03/21/2006 2:41:28 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: Once-Ler
Even if we could completely seal the Mexican border

Which we could, quite handily

it would not solve the labor vacuum that causes illegal immigration. Increasing legal immigration will do more to solve the problem than border security.

Fine, we can talk about doing that once we've secured the border, which wouldn't be hard to do at all. But legalizing illegals here without making them go back first is out of the question.

423 posted on 03/21/2006 2:44:55 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: inquest
You really think that Bush and Kerry are the two most popular politicians in the country?

Yes.

424 posted on 03/21/2006 2:59:08 PM PST by Once-Ler (Principled conservatives don't vote for $trillion budgets and blame Dubya for signing them.)
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To: inquest
Fine, we can talk about doing that once we've secured the border

Actually I can talk about it now since I believe labor demand is the root cause of illegal immigration. When you guy win a Senate seat or Gov office we can talk about expelling 20 million people. Till then your just a Tancredo lackey and Tancredo's star is fading.

425 posted on 03/21/2006 3:03:37 PM PST by Once-Ler (Principled conservatives don't vote for $trillion budgets and blame Dubya for signing them.)
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To: Once-Ler
"Increasing legal immigration will do more to solve the problem than border security."

Not quite right. Increasing legal immigration from mexico would do it. Now you might support a massive preference for mexicans in our immigration policy but I dont.
427 posted on 03/21/2006 3:40:14 PM PST by mthom
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To: Once-Ler

Kerry has fallen off the map.


428 posted on 03/21/2006 3:41:19 PM PST by mthom
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To: Once-Ler
"When you guy win a Senate seat or Gov office we can talk about expelling 20 million people. Till then your just a Tancredo lackey and Tancredo's star is fading."

And here I thought there was some hope for you. Apparently not.

429 posted on 03/21/2006 3:47:56 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: american spirit

Thank you for another hysterical run-on sentence.


430 posted on 03/21/2006 5:19:00 PM PST by Once-Ler (Principled conservatives don't vote for $trillion budgets and blame Dubya for signing them.)
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To: mthom
Now you might support a massive preference for mexicans in our immigration policy but I dont.

I don't care.

431 posted on 03/21/2006 5:21:10 PM PST by Once-Ler (Principled conservatives don't vote for $trillion budgets and blame Dubya for signing them.)
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To: Czar
And here I thought there was some hope for you.

This is most distressing. I have been praying for your approval, and now it is not forthcoming. I guess I will have to look for approval from normal people now.

432 posted on 03/21/2006 5:24:48 PM PST by Once-Ler (Principled conservatives don't vote for $trillion budgets and blame Dubya for signing them.)
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To: Once-Ler
[You really think that Bush and Kerry are the two most popular politicians in the country?]

Yes.

Then you're not in much of a position to be condemning anyone else's assessment of the situation as irrational.

433 posted on 03/21/2006 5:41:44 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: Once-Ler

Here's the short version.......being a useful idiot is no way to go through life.


434 posted on 03/21/2006 5:47:02 PM PST by american spirit
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To: Once-Ler
When you guy win a Senate seat or Gov office we can talk about expelling 20 million people.

Who said anything about expelling 20 million people?

Till then your just a Tancredo lackey and Tancredo's star is fading.

As you desperately hope. Nice to see that's all you have, though.

435 posted on 03/21/2006 5:47:34 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: Czar
There was some hope for him. Until he started losing the argument.
436 posted on 03/21/2006 5:49:36 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: inquest
"Until he started losing the argument."

He always loses the argument. Especially the one about being a loyal American conservative. He failed to make the cut.

437 posted on 03/21/2006 5:58:07 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: inquest
Then you're not in much of a position to be condemning anyone else's assessment of the situation as irrational.

I haven't seen any valid argument from you to show Bush and Kerry are not the 2 most popular politicians in the country, or even one example of a more popular politician. But then I didn't really expect evidence that would support your opinion.

438 posted on 03/21/2006 11:20:40 PM PST by Once-Ler (Principled conservatives don't vote for $trillion budgets and blame Dubya for signing them.)
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To: american spirit
Here's the short version.......

I expect no more from you.

being a useful idiot is no way to go through life.

I thought you might have stumbled upon a nugget of self awareness until I saw the word "useful."

439 posted on 03/21/2006 11:30:42 PM PST by Once-Ler (Principled conservatives don't vote for $trillion budgets and blame Dubya for signing them.)
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To: inquest
Who said anything about expelling 20 million people?

I assumed since you want to seal the border, expelling the illegals currently here was the next step. No? OK, I'll retract my statement.

440 posted on 03/21/2006 11:33:50 PM PST by Once-Ler (Principled conservatives don't vote for $trillion budgets and blame Dubya for signing them.)
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