Posted on 03/16/2006 12:33:55 PM PST by knighthawk
So US taxpayers protecting Iceland since when(the 60s?) is A-ok?
Shipping lanes? please.
Iceland has no strategic value. Sure, I'm all for sending help in any issue, but who is it again that threatens Iceland or again, who is threatening North Atlantic shipping that 4 jets and a couple helos can prevent?
The dutch need to expand their military to take up the slack. Perhaps some more taxes on the people of Iceland is all that's required. I see no reason _I_ should be paying for it.
Emotion aside, it does sound like support was the only reasonable choice when the US military is the only military force present for the country's defense.
That said, I would imagine the protection by the US military is still guaranteed, just not a permanent housing of troops and material. The US military doesn't have unlimited funds, especially in the current global environment, and less than ideal decisions are having to be made regarding the allocations of resources. There is still a strong tie of mutual interest here - strategic locale and protection.
Maybe it has something to do with this?
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Senate on Thursday passed an election-year budget plan forsaking President Bush's tax cuts and Medicare curbs, hours after lifting the ceiling on the national debt to $9 trillion.
Please understand.
I have no issues with Iceland. In fact, I'd like to visit there some day. In fact, I'd love to buy you your drink of choice and spend an evening toasting the beauties of Iceland with you.
My country is spending money like a drunk sailor. There's no need to keep 4 jets on the ground there when we can pull up a carrier group within 50 nautical miles within a week or so if a real threat emerges.
If Iceland needs an "on the ground reactionary force" the dutch should provide it. If Iceland want's to become the 51st US state, I have no issue with that either. Welcome to the fold and we will maintain at 24/7/365 presence. As it stands now, it makes no sense. What can 4 jets possible prevent that the threat of the 7th fleet doesn't also prevent?
It is an independent country.
7th fleet? Iceland?
I guess you're right sorta.
Iceland was granted independance from the Dutch in 1944.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ic.html
I guess I was thinking about Greenland. They use mostly Dutch law and all that in Iceland. Still, it's not really a strategic place. That doesn't mean it's a bad place. In fact, it's probably a great place to live other than being cold.
They were granted independence from Denmark, not Holland.
Need it spelled out?
Someone threatens Iceland.
What possible use is 4 jets VS the fact that if you threaten those 4 jets the 7th fleet will show up in a week?
Ok, maybe not the 7th fleet, perhaps whatever fleet. The point being the threat of a carrier group showing up makes 4 jets sitting on the tarmack in Iceland pretty much a moot issue.
Yeah, you're correct. Sorry. I blew it.
History
Settlement and Subjection
Iceland may be the Ultima Thule of the ancients. Irish monks visited it before the 9th cent., but abandoned it on the arrival (c.850-875) of Norse settlers, many of whom had fled from the domination of Harold I . The Norse settlements also contained many Irish and Scottish slaves, mainly women. In 930 a general assembly, the Althing, was established near Reykjavík at Thingvellir, and Christianity was introduced c.1000 by the Norwegian Olaf I , although paganism seems to have survived for a time. These events are preserved in the literature of 13th-century Iceland, where Old Norse literature reached its greatest flowering. (Modern Icelandic is virtually the same language as that of the sagas.)
Politically, Iceland became a feudal state, and the bloody civil wars of rival chieftains facilitated Norwegian intervention. The attempt of Snorri Sturluson (1179-1241) to establish the full control of King Haakon IV of Norway over Iceland was a failure; however, Haakon incorporated Iceland into the archdiocese of Trondheim and between 1261 and 1264 obtained acknowledgment of his suzerainty by the Icelanders. Norwegian rule brought order, but high taxes and an imposed judicial system caused much discontent. When, with Norway, Iceland passed (1380) under the Danish crown, the Danes showed even less concern for Icelandic welfare; a national decline (1400-1550) set in. Lutheranism was imposed by force (1539-51) over the opposition of Bishop Jon Aresson ; the Reformation brought new intellectual activity.
The 17th and 18th cent. were, in many ways, disastrous for Iceland. English, Spanish, and Algerian pirates raided the coasts and ruined trade; epidemics and volcanic eruptions killed a large part of the population; and the creation (1602) of a private trading company at Copenhagen, with exclusive rights to the Iceland trade, caused economic ruin. The private trade monopoly was at last revoked in 1771 and transferred to the Danish crown, and in 1786 trade with Iceland was opened to all Danish and Norwegian merchants. The exclusion of foreign traders was lifted in 1854.
National Revival
The 19th cent. brought a rebirth of national culture (see Icelandic literature ) and strong agitation for independence. The great leader of this movement was Jón Sigurðsson . The Althing, abolished in 1800, was reestablished in 1843; in 1874 a constitution and limited home rule were granted; and in 1918, Iceland became a sovereign state in personal union with Denmark. The German occupation (1940) of Denmark in World War II gave the Althing an opportunity to assume the king's prerogatives and the control of foreign affairs. Great Britain sent (1940) a military force to defend the island from possible German attack, and this was replaced after 1941 by U.S. forces.
In 1944 an overwhelming majority of Icelanders voted to terminate the union with Denmark; the kingdom of Iceland was proclaimed an independent republic on June 17, 1944. Sveinn Björrnsson was the first president. Iceland was admitted to the United Nations in 1946; it joined in the Marshall Plan and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. In 1946, Iceland granted the United States the right to use the American-built airport at Keflavík for military as well as commercial planes. Under a 1951 defense pact, U.S. troops were stationed there.
Naval Air Station Keflavik
The primary mission of Naval Air Station Keflavik is to maintain and operate facilities and provide services and material to support operations of aviation activities and units of the operating forces of the Navy and other activities and units, as designated by the Chief of Naval Operations.
NAS Keflavik is the host Command for the NATO Base in Iceland. The base is located on the Reykjanes peninsula on the south-west portion of the island. There are more than 25 different commands of various sizes and personnel from the Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Army in Iceland. Also present are representatives from Canada, the Netherlands, Norway, and Denmark. One of the largest commands is Naval Air Station (NAS) Keflavik, which is responsible for providing all support facilities, including the runways, housing, supply and recreational facilities to name a few. NAS Keflavik employs approximately 900 Icelandic civilians who work with military personnel to provide the services necessary to operate the base. Twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, the airfield is available for maritime patrol activities, air defense and for transiting aircraft between North America and Europe, in addition to supporting Iceland's international civilian aviation.
The US Air Force has about 2,000 active-duty airmen stationed with the 85th Group at Naval Air Station Keflavik. The air defense mission is carried out by F-15 Eagle fighter aircraft rotating every 90 days to Iceland. Using four ground-based radars and occasionally AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) aircraft, the 85th Group’s 932nd Air Control Squadron provides air surveillance of Iceland and the North Atlantic.
The NATO base does not have a Status of Forces Agreement with the Icelandic Government. The base offers a wide variety of recreational services to include bowling, swimming, gymnasium, theater, social clubs, Wendy's restaurant, and hobby centers. Other services include a base exchange, commissary, bank, hospital, beauty shop, tour office and morale flights. Golfing is available in a nearby community.
The U.S. Naval Computer and Telecommunications Station, Iceland (NCTSI) is a link in the Defense Communications System (DCS) supporting the rapid dissemination of information products throughout the U.S. Navy and supported commands and agencies. NCTSI is a Class I, Echelon 4, Shore (Field) activity in an active status, under a commanding officer located onboard Naval Air Station Keflavik (NASKEF). Over which U.S. Naval Computer and Telecommunications Area Master Station Atlantic (NCTAMS LANT) exercises administrative control and Commander Fleet Air Keflavik (COMFAIRKEF) exercise operational control through additional duty assignment of the commanding officer.
On 01 July 1961, the U.S. Naval Communication Station, (NAVCOMMSTA) Iceland was established and assumed most of the island’s military communications requirements from the Airways and Air Communications Service Squadron (AACS/MATS). The NAVCOMMSTA’s responsibilities were wide-ranging with personnel assigned to operate communications equipment at a variety of remote sites: Inter-Island TROPO site at H-1; DYE-5 Transceiver site; transceiver sites at H-2 and H-3, the Special Communications (SPECOMM) at H-2; and Naval Radio Transmitter Facility (NRTF) Grindavik. In 1968 the Receiver Site was relocated from the Garrity building, which had served as a receiver site since 1948, to the Inter-Island TROPO site at H-1.
On 9 May 1989, the Government of Iceland approved the construction of a new communications facility onboard NAS Keflavik. The basic scope of the project was to include: a survivable, semi-hardened structure; 100% stand-by auto start power by dual 900KW diesel electric generators and UPS; multi-path HF, EHF/UHF SATCOM, and terrestrial communications systems; state-of-the-art physical security systems; independent seven-day capacity for drinking water and sewage disposal so the building could be operated in a "buttoned-up " configuration; CBR air locks/decontamination space; and survivable communications connectivity with associated facilities. Construction began in 1993 with NATO providing approximately 65% of the funding. The new building, the NATO Communications Center, was dedicated on 19 December 1996.
An initial permanent T-1 connectivity (provided through a commercial lease with G.E. AMERICOM) between Chesapeake, Virginia and Keflavik Iceland was established in 1992. The current long distance connectivity is via three T-1s and transoceanic cable.
In late 1991, the Naval Communication Station was redesignated an U.S. Naval Computer and Telecommunications Station (NCTS) to incorporate computers and reflect the changing nature of information technology. On 01 January 1993, the Base Communications Office was officially transferred from NAS Keflavik to the operational and administrative control of NCTS Iceland. This move represented the Navy’s continuing effort to centralize base support functions with appropriate service providers within appropriate Host-Tenant relationships.
In early 1998, the NCTSI headquarters building (building 839) underwent a major interior renovation. Commanding Officer, Naval Computer and Telecommunications Area Master Station, Atlantic (NCTAMS LANT) provided approximately $1.2 million to refurbish the majority of the building’s interior. On 01 October 1998, the NCTSI Facilities department was transferred to NAS Keflavik as part of the Base Operating Support initiative. From that date, NAS Keflavik as the Host command would be fully responsible for the maintenance of NCTSI facilities.
After receiving independence from Denmark in 1918 with the signing of the 25-year Danish-Icelandic Act of Union, Iceland followed a policy of strict neutrality. In 1939, with war imminent in Europe, the German Reich pressed for landing rights for Lufthansa's aircraft for alleged trans-Atlantic flights. The Icelandic government turned them down. A British request to establish bases in Iceland for the protection of the vital North Atlantic supply lines after German forces occupied Denmark and Norway in April 1940 also was turned down in accordance with the neutrality policy. Therefore, it was a rude surprise for the people of Reykjavík to awaken to the sight of a British invasion force on May 10, 1940. The country's strategic importance to the British was understood; what was annoying to Icelanders was the lack of consultation. Iceland protested the use of military force by Britain but immediately accepted the fait accompli. Following talks between British Prime Minster Winston S. Churchill and President Franklin D. Roosevelt of the United States, Iceland agreed to a tri-partite treaty under which the United States was to relieve the British garrison in Iceland on the condition that all military forces be withdrawn from Iceland immediately upon the conclusion of the war in Europe.
At the peak of the Second World War, thousands of troops were stationed at Keflavík in temporary Quonset huts camps. Iceland became a charter member of NATO, but with the understanding that this commitment would neither require the establishment of its own armed forces -- for which there were no available resources -- nor the basing of foreign forces on its soil in peacetime. During 1947-51, while the base was operated by a US civilian contractor company (Lockheed Aircraft Overseas Service) as an international airport, most of these temporary structures were salvaged or badly deteriorated.
The airfield complex, one of the largest in the world during World War II, also required upgrading to accommodate modern aircraft. The contractor company had extended one runway, constructed a new passenger terminal and hotel building, one aircraft hangar, a hospital, housing units and other facilities for the staff. But this was not sufficient for the new Defense Force, so additional facilities had to be provided quickly. A crash reconstruction program was initiated and temporary housing was erected during the construction of permanent housing. The airfield was extended and two new aircraft hangars were constructed. Most of this work was completed by 1957.
A US contractor company undertook this project using Icelandic subcontractors at first. Later, as the Icelandic contractors acquired the experience and know-how required for military construction, it was agreed that the work would be assumed completely by Icelanders with the formation of the Iceland Prime Contractors (IPC) in 1954 and the Keflavík Contractors (KC) in 1957. These contractor companies operate under a single source arrangement with allocation of new construction projects to IPC and most major maintenance projects undertaken by KC. Construction projects have centered on modernization of the military facilities, and expanded and improved housing and living conditions for Defense Force members and their families to lessen the impact on the local community.
The major commands stationed on the base are Naval Air Station Keflavik, the Air Forces 85th group, Commander Fleet Air Keflavik, Commander Iceland Defense Force, NCTS Keflavik, Naval Hospital Keflavik, and the Marine Corp Security Force Company Keflavik. There are also about 900 Icelandic civilians working in close coordination with duty members.
The first US Military involvement in Iceland dates back to 1941, when Marines arrived after an agreement between the governments of Iceland, Great Britain and the United States. The forces were replacements for the British garrison that was stationed in Iceland after the British occupation in May of the previous year. In addition to their defense role, US forces constructed the Keflavik Airport as a refueling point for aircraft deliveries and cargo flights to Europe. Following World War II, all military personnel were withdrawn from the country as specified in the original agreement.
Another agreement signed between the United States and Iceland in 1946 permitted continued use of occupation forces in Europe. The United States provided all the maintenance and operation of the airport through an American civilian contractor.
Iceland´s charter membership in NATO in 1949 required neither the establishment of an Icelandic armed force, nor the stationing of foreign troops in the country during peace time. However, the Cold War with the Soviet Union and growing world tensions caused Iceland´s leaders to think otherwise. Icelandic officials decided that membership in the NATO alliance was not a sufficient defense and, at the request of NATO, entered into a defense agreement with the United States. This was the beginning of the Iceland Defense Force. During the past four decades, the Defense Force was "at the front" of the Cold War and was credited with playing a significant role in deterrence.
I was there in the 70s.
They treated me pretty well. But that was back in the 70s.
This whole thing has become an interesting twist. First, the US talked them into allowing a base there and built it up. There is well over $40 million that flows through the Iceland ecomomy because of the base. There is nothing to make up that $40 million. The one and only airport...which has international flights to Europe and the US...is heavily dependent on US personnel going back and fourth. The resturant and pub scene downtown...as expensive as it is...probably counts 20 percent of their profit off the Americans. So they just created their own Icelandic-style depression.
The Americans...unhappy during the last year or two with various comments made by Icelandic polticans over the war...counted up the marks. There is only one major paper, and one major tv station...so the negative comments carried far and loud over the entire island. The Americans sat there and figured nothing really gained by the island, and even when Iceland sat there and started to realize the end was coming...offering millions to help finance the operation...the pentagon simply said no. And to add to the mess...they meant no in a hurry. You will see drastic reductions this year.
So what happens to Iceland now? As the Americans vacate...the Icelandic government will try to figure what to do economically. Tourists aren't increasing...its mostly stable in that area. You will see more young people pack up and leave by early 20's when they realize there is no long-term answer here. I predict a 30 percent population decrease over the next 20 years. The workers on base...looking for employment...will be permanently unemployed. And as for the politicians who went dumped on Bush...they will sit there for months...drinking their expensive booze and trying to remember why they did that stupid commentary. Life goes on there...but its not going to be as pleasant as yesterday.
I knew a girl who was a prosecuter. Invariably, defendents would plead, "I was joking around!" and your story reminds me of her standard answer:
"You laugh too hard, you cry."
I'm sure all those loudmouth icelandic politicians had a bunch of guffaws with their liberal friends at their wine and brie parties. Back-patting each other, egging each other on, slamming the US, slamming Bush, slamming our military.
You laugh too hard, you cry.
I've done a number of reserve tours up there. Some of the women are hot, a lot more look like "Hagar the Horrible's" wife.
The population is almost pure Norwegian, with a big addition of Celtic from the slaves/captives they brought with them during the days of the initial settlement.
There is a definite "Icelandic Look", but it is not the typical Scandinavian "blonde hair / blue eyes". Most of the blondes in Iceland are of the "bottle" variety.
The Icelanders are probably some of the most intelligent and well-educated people in the world. Not very outwardly friendly until they know you a bit. Fair amount of disdain for US military personnel, some of which is admittedly atributable to our own (mis)behavior, some due to their own xenophobia.
The base is an economic boondoggle for them -- a lot of VERY high paying jobs that don't demand a lot of work.
It adds up fast when the (Icelandic) guys cleaning the heads get over $80,000 per year.
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