It's Not Xenophobia, It's Xenonausea

HumanEventsOnline ^ | 3/13/06 | Mac Johnson

[Dominic Harr]

I've shot this one down on no less than 4 seperate occaisions on this board, and have no idea why it keeps coming back up.

Cuz only in your mind does that answer the point.

Clearly, the fact that 2 were born there means *nothing* about who they grew up to be or what they ended up doing. You lose that point.

Funding for Al Qaeda was provided, and probably continues to be provided by UAE-based corporations, and Islamic 'charities' operating in the UAE (meaning UAE citizens partly paid for the murder of 3,000+ US citizens)

Again, forgive me if I require some actual evidence of this. The only thing that is known about 9/11 is that some Dubai banks were part of a chain that laundered money. Which does *not* mean that the UAE citizens partly paid for 9/11. That is a bold inaccuracy, on your part.

So, some actual evidence showing that UAE are a danger to US ports would be nice -- still waiting.

[Dominic Harr]

What we need to establish is why you are so insistant they can be trusted when I and over 70% of America do not trust them.

We've already established that. I lead with it over and over again, in fact. The basis for my opinion:

• I see evidence that since 9/11 UAE has become a trusted US ally.

• There is *no* evidence submitted so far to suggest that the UAE are a danger to port security.

• I am a conservative, which means I make decisions based on evidence.

And I love the argument, "But the polls show I'm right!".

1. MSM broadcast lies to the public ("Bush Selling US Ports To Arabs")
2. The public, who never reads past a headline, accepts the lie and gets in a Tizzy.

Congrats. You are in the majority -- if the MSM is telling the truth.

[willyboyishere]

You, like some other posters to this thread, either miss the points Mac Johnson made, or like the political class he anatomizes, don't think they're important or deserve consideration.

[TXBSAFH]

I am an American Conservative with means I make decisions based on what I think is best for this country. In my judgement keeping DPW out of American harbors is what is best for this country. And for evidence see post 212.

[willyboyishere]

Once again, AWESOME piece. And it is THE TRUTH over, above, below, behind ANY AND ALL entirely partisan interpretations and rationalizations for it that now issue forth from "both sides of the political aisle".
This piece was THRILLING to read, This guy is GREAT!

[gogeo]

ROFL!!!

[gogeo]

Yeah, what he said.

[Dominic Harr]

You, like some other posters to this thread, either miss the points Mac Johnson made, or like the political class he anatomizes, don't think they're important or deserve consideration.

Or, I disagree completely, and am trying to state my case in as logically and honest a fashion as possible.

I'm nobody, just a tech worker bored at work. I like to debate with people I disagree with, on a slow day at work. I picked an out-of-the-way thread to chat with some folks about something that I disagree with them about.

The deal is already history, this discussion has no purpose other than our own entertainment. I am listening to and reading the responses, and replying as best I can.

This was, to me, a typical MSM drive-by. Broadcast lies making Bush look bad, whip up the public into a frenzy, use opinion polls to support legislation in which the govt exerts power over a private business deal.

[Dominic Harr]

I am an American Conservative with means I make decisions based on what I think is best for this country.

Dude, both Libs and Cons think their policies are what is best for the country. That's not what seperates Ls from Cs.

Libs base policy on 'feelings'. Cons base policy on evidence and reason.

And post 212 did not contain one single bit of evidence that the UAE is a threat to US port security. As I pointed out in detail, above.

[gogeo]

And yes you arrogant children it IS YOUR FAULT. YOU were told and simply screamed down anyone who did not mindlessly regurgitate DNC talking points to validate your in the closet bigotry and hysteria. The Port Deal hysteria was the most disgraceful display of chicken little panic and economic ignorance in Modern US History. HERE is what the Port Deal was about. Way to go "Conservatives". Way to do the Democrats PR dirty work for them.

This article was about you, you know...

[atlaw]

I'm sorry, but your dismissal of the evidence is not only ludicrous, it borders on the delusional. The UAE is an ally of convenience. We need their ports for our Navy. Which is why we turn a blind eye to their ongoing behavior, including their refusal to relinquish financial information pertaining to Bin Laden, their financial support of Hamas, their relations with Iran, and their wide open money laundering, smuggling of weapons, smuggling of nuclear materials, and terrorist and jihadist facilitation.

That does not mean we have to turn a blind eye to these things when it comes to turning over domestic infrastructure.

[TXBSAFH]

What part of I looked at the evidence including that which you dismiss out of hand and judgeed that they are not ally enough to trust with a port do you not understand.

[TXBSAFH]

And as for making GW look bad, GW is doing a excellent job of that on his own. That is why his polls are so low.

[Dominic Harr]

Which is why we turn a blind eye to their ongoing behavior, including their refusal to relinquish financial information pertaining to Bin Laden, their financial support of Hamas, their relations with Iran, and their wide open money laundering, smuggling of weapons, smuggling of nuclear materials, and terrorist and jihadist facilitation.

• Them having info pertaining to Bin Laden does not mean they are complicit in terrorism.
• Their financial suppport of Hamas is rebuilding houses and such.
• Their relations with Iran does not mean they are terrorists.
• Money laundering, smuggling, etc, happen *everywhere*. That does not mean the govt are terrorists, or complicit.

You have not yet provided a single bit of evidence showing that the UAE sponsored, supported or in any way helped terrorists.

None of these actions above are related to port security.

We simply disagree. I believe that evidence of wrong-doing is required before branding an allied country an untrustworthy terrorist sponsoring state.

You don't need any such evidence, but instead are against the deal cuz there is a bunch we don't like about them.

I don't believe an ally has to conform to our way of doing things to be trustable. I base trust on their actions towards us.

And since 9/11, the UAE has been a steadfast ally.

[Dominic Harr]

And as for making GW look bad, GW is doing a excellent job of that on his own. That is why his polls are so low.

Shocking statment, for someone at FR.

You don't think the lies spread by the MSM have anything to do with it?

• The disaster of Katrina was Bush's fault.
• There is no good news in Iraq, ever.
• Bush Sold US Ports to Arabs

Suddenly, we believe the polls and Bush deserves them?

[WatchingInAmazement]

Their financial suppport of Hamas is rebuilding houses and such.

LOL!! That's what Sadam said, too! Look what we did to Iraq. The UAE promoted 9/11 far more than Sadam. I'm done, you may have the last word, no matter how meaningless it is.

[TXBSAFH]

I believe a history, an involved one of being an ally is needed before giving control of a port terminal. My take on them is they are play both sides against the middle, and are allies of conveniences at best.

[Dominic Harr]

The UAE promoted 9/11 far more than Sadam.

You must have some evidence to this regard, then?

[gogeo]

If killing this deal was a rational policy decision based on evidence, then we will need evidence to suggest either that DPW has before endangered a port, or evidence to suggest they will in the future endanger a port.

Your entire case on this thread is based upon what W has called 9/10 thinking.

[Dominic Harr]

My take on them is they are play both sides against the middle, and are allies of conveniences at best.

I understand your take, you've stated it many times.

You just haven't provided any evidence to show that the UAE is a danger to our ports.