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GOP Seeks Curbs On '527' Groups
The Washington Post ^ | March 16, 2006 | Jeffrey H. Birnbaum and Jonathan Weisman

Posted on 03/16/2006 7:23:51 AM PST by yoe

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To: So Cal Rocket

Hey, hey, hay,,,,whaddya draggin out that antique constitution for? Whaddya think this is a constitutional republic or sumpin? Save it for the next time we start from scratch, it might come in handy.


21 posted on 03/16/2006 9:20:39 AM PST by Kokojmudd (Outsource GM to Tennessee. Put Las Vegas Sands Corp in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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To: yoe

Yeah, can't ahve any more Swifties. The Gang Of Prostitutes might keep winning. That would upset our Democrat friends and prove how mean they are.

The Republicans are a bunch of raving idiots!


22 posted on 03/16/2006 9:53:09 AM PST by TBP
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To: XR7

I disagree.. this means the people with the money get to make the rules.

This is a democracy in which every person has an equal say and an equal vote. However it's money in this society that gets you in front of voters.

You think money gives you free speech? I say the more money you have the more likely you are to abuse the rest of us.

There is a difference between having capitalism in which CEO's can make as much as they want and having an a society ruled by kings.


23 posted on 03/16/2006 2:38:10 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: So Cal Rocket

Since when did speech = money? Since you made it so?

Money is not free speech.. free speech is me talking or writing. Giving as much money you want to whoever you want is not Constitutional. That's why we have tax laws. Your money is not yours constitutionallly. People have a right to make laws and take it away from you if they want. That's why we have laws protecting property rights as a way of generating economic activity.

I don't want people buying my politicians anymore then they are already bought.


24 posted on 03/16/2006 2:46:02 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: montag813

Why do the politicians always attack the independent groups? They must not like free speech. The less control politicians have over what people say the better. As far as I can see, the 527's are independent groups with no links to the candidates. They are thus not part of a political campaign and should not be subject to any restrictions placed upon the candidate's campaign. They are private groups that don't give any money directly to candidates, but simply express their opinions and exercise their rights of conscience, using their own money to voice their beliefs.



As far as giving money directly to a political candidate, what is the difference between that and bribery/kickbacks? (I don't see much of a difference, and I find it hard to believe that big donors won't have any influence on an MC's votes on some issues). Does anyone know where the line is drawn?


25 posted on 03/19/2006 3:08:40 AM PST by old republic
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To: Almondjoy
Your money is not yours constitutionallly.
People have a right to make laws and take it away from you if they want.
That's why we have laws protecting property rights as a way of generating economic activity.

Oookay, right.

26 posted on 03/19/2006 3:31:58 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: razorback-bert

If you disagree with that I suggest you stop paying your federal taxes and see what happens.


27 posted on 03/19/2006 8:50:44 AM PST by Almondjoy
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"Your money is not yours constitutionallly."

Wrong. Money, Real Estate, and other property that I have earned IS mine. Period. The actual paper is considered property of the government, but the wealth it represents is mine.

"People have a right to make laws and take it away from you if they want."

The citizens of this country (including myself) have a constitutional ability to pass laws thru our elected representatives. But this is not a "Right" at all, it is a very limited (constitutionally) privledge, which is restricted from violating the Constitutional Rights of the Individual.

"That's why we have laws protecting property rights as a way of generating economic activity."

"Generating economic activity" has nothing to do with the right to own property. The Right to own that which one has earned thru his own labor is JUSTICE. You obviously do not even understand the MEANING of the word "Rights" or you would realize that Rights do not come from government at all, but are intrinsic to simply being alive.. they are given by the Creator. That which government gives, government can take away, thus is merely privledge. Where government oversteps the authority WE GIVE THEM, they can never take away our Rights.. only violate them.


28 posted on 03/20/2006 12:54:18 PM PST by AnnoyedOne
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To: Almondjoy
This is a democracy in which every person has an equal say and an equal vote.

WRONG - We do not live in a democracy...

The majority doesn't rule, but we have equal representation. We may vote democratically, but we certainly aren't a democracy. Rhode Island wouldn't exist if we were.

29 posted on 03/20/2006 1:27:58 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Mr. Franklin, what form of customes did you create in Tiajunna? A beeber, Madam, if you can stune it)
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To: Almondjoy
Money is not free speech.. free speech is me talking or writing.

The right to Free Speech doesn't include writing... That's freedom of the press and in both accounts doesn't mean that you have a right to print anything you want or say anything you want. The Right to speech is granted so that you can voice your greviences to the government and peacefully assemble with out government interference - and boy would they love to do it...

Freedom of the press was added for the same reason, to print the ongoings of the government without any reprocussion from the government.

Also, I believe you are confused with paper money as to coin. The Government can only produce a standard currency through coin. Your paper money is a promessary note produced throught the Federal Reserve. The FED is not a Government agency, though they do control alot of the Government. It is because of the FED, we have the income tax Title Code 26 - What you earn is yours, and you can give what ever amount you want. The laws are written to those that are taking, not giving.

30 posted on 03/20/2006 1:34:17 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Mr. Franklin, what form of customes did you create in Tiajunna? A beeber, Madam, if you can stune it)
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