Posted on 03/14/2006 8:24:36 PM PST by nickcarraway
I would say mostly immigrants, children of immigrants and grandchildren of immigrants. By the time you get to great grand children, I think they get lazy.
Oh yea, AND the real engineers out-produce them by factors of 5:1 to 10:1 notwithstanding the quality issue.
As thoughtomator alleged, they're functionally lazy. They're AT work at all hours but that doesn't equate to producing anything.
Americans are becoming fat and stupid....
No Child Left Behind was aimed at exactly that, improving the education for the laggards. And if you look at the statistics, it succeeded. It made no attempt at improving the performance of the middle and upper level students.
If you want more engineers, No Child Left Behind was not the program for you.
It's true. As a consultant in the IT business I have had the opportunity to work with (and often around) these folks. They are always punctual, respectful, and appropriately dressed, but God help you if you need to actually get something done!
When I was doing employee benefits in the Silicon Valley a few years ago, our engineers were making $100K+ with every benefit free and stock options. Indians were doing the same job for $60K. Which choice is better for the stock holders?
No Child Left Behind is or should be a feeder program for engineers as well as mnay others, if you will, and if successful as you state, then in a few more years we should see the numbers of worker visas going down, not up as being proposed, as we come online with our own educated students that should be up to the task we now seek so many offshore folks to perform now..
And a chance for a skill or a design to be introduced right here at home for us to sell abroad.
And they wonder why Americans don't study science and engineering. It's basic economics folks. When you artificially drive down a professions wages that profession becomes less attractive to prospective workers. If they want American IT professionals and engineers then they need to make sure those fields are lucrative and attractive to college students.
I'd be happy to take a lower 'quality of life' (if its only measured by how much plastic cr@p we can buy) if it meant I no longer had to listen to the constant negativity and complaining about the US I hear from various H1B holders I encounter in the course of my day.
Boomers are going to be retiring in droves soon.
Unemployment is sitting @ 4.8 %.
Where are these workers going to be coming from ?
Nobody really has this answer.
It's all supply and demand. If the demand is there (and the compensation is there), more Americans will stop majoring in things like Hotel Management if they think its worth their while (for the amount of effort they need to expend). Many kids have been told that CS/IT jobs will be outsourced, so they think there is no future in it. Meanwhile, we import the talent instead of nurturing our own, so that perception is reinforced by reality. These kids are not dumb--they want to maximize gain while minimizing effort. You can call it laziness, but it is also shrewd.
We have 300+M people in this country. It is crowded ane expensive enough where I live. Its very hard for me to understand why we need more people--its a vicious circle.
Oh, horror.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say you've little first-hand experience with H1-B workers, yes? These are not innovators we're importing, these are functionaries.
Bump
Americans won't work 24/7 for $0.15 a day and no bathroom breaks.
And who will be able to buy those products?
Not Americans, not anymore.
Competition in the global economy, fine.
But inside this country, work is for Americans, by Americans, or there is no point in this country at all.
THE US DOESN'T GRADUATE ENOUGH MATH AND SCIENCE STUDENTS BECAUSE THE BEST STUDENTS KNOW THEY'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO MAKE A LIVING AT THEIR CHOSEN FIELD AND ARE GOING TO LAW SCHOOL BECAUSE LITIGATING THE WEALTH OUT OF THE COUNTRY IS THE LAST GROWTH INDUSTRY WE HAVE!
Loud enough for you?
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