Posted on 03/14/2006 11:28:51 AM PST by KevinNuPac
I remember kids in elementary school hurling immature insults like that. Adults don't usually call each other "cabbages."
I trace Bush's big drop in the polls to his failure to protect Terri Schiavo. He could have stopped her death, in less dramatic fashion than Clinton did when he swiped that Cuban boy from his family. When he failed to act, and let her slowly die a horrible death, it dispirited the base and emboldened the libs. They won a big one, showed that the judiciary was in charge and there was nothing conservatives could do about it. But there was, if someone with cojones had been in charge.
I don't mean to be harsh, but that's just delusional.
I see from your history that you are a consistent disrupter that would be more at home at DU, where your own delusions would be the norm.
I polled myself and I think you are right. I sent him a fax at the time saying, "Mr. President, don't you think it is time for Terri to have a sip of water"?.
I noticed the same drop in the polls at that time. I think he lost supporters on both sides. Those who value life were disappointed in the limited gesture he gave, and those who support forced euthanasia were angry at him for interfering at all. His poll numbers have steadily dropped since then.
Imagine, the courts say she can't have a drink of water, and a President who fears to give her one.
I don't know to what extent Terri affected most voters, but both Bushes fell into the same trap Republicans always seem to fall into--trying to come up with a position to satisfy both sides, even when such a position is logically unsupportable.
If it was not wrong for Felos et al. to block any efforts to offer Terri oral hydration and sustenance, the the Bushes should not have interfered at all. If it was wrong, the Bushes should have acted decisively against Felos et al. One can debate whether Felos' actions were proper; both sides do have facially valid arguments. Regardless of whether Felos' actions were wrong, however, I see no argument that would support the Bushs' actions. If Bush is acceeding to a coup, he should acknowledge such. Otherwise, their actions look like insincere tokens.
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Before I reply, I will give you a chance to make yourself somewhat clearer.
It is possible to argue that refusal of Felos, Greer, et al. to allow anyone to even attempt to give Terri oral hydration and sustenance was nothing short of murder. Indeed, I happen to believe that to be the case.
It is also possible to argue that such refusal was right and proper. I happen to find such arguments unconvincing, but they are at least facially valid.
If the actions constituted murder, then Bush et al. should have seen that immediate action was taken against the perpetrators.
If the actions were right and proper, then Bush et al. should have left well enough alone.
Either course of action would have been supportable, even if one was wrong. But the only way I can see that the Bushs' actual actions could be argued to have been "correct" would have been if the initial interference was correct, and further interference would also have been correct but was blocked by a coup, and circumstances were not ripe for dealing with said coup.
"I see from your history that you are a consistent disrupter that would be more at home at DU, where your own delusions would be the norm."
Calling you delusional is an understatement.
It's worth noting that trolls on any Terri thread didn't know her or the Schindlers so their perspective is from afar.
It's all right here: www.judgegeorgegreer.com. And a lot of info is here: www.northcountrygazette.org. Finally, the Schindler's Foundation web site: www.terrisfight.org.
By the time it got to Bush, he could have stopped it by sending federal marshalls and enforcing the House's subpoena. The judge in Fla. was basically trying to kill a witness to a congressional investigation. He backed off from that, and the House leadership didn't have the juice to do anything without the White House behind it. It was Rove, I think, who blinked.
And bingo, the Dems were energized, the conservatives were demoralized, and we were left with the feeling that it could have turned out differently had someone with some gumption taken action. Like Reagan firing the AT controllers, it needed someone to step in and do what was right, and the country would rally around that kind of leadership. Instead, by shrinking away from leadership, and forcing us to watch her die a slow, terrible death, we all became a little less enthusiastic about GW Bush at that time. All except that small but vocal wing of the GOP that was for Terri's death--people like this guy on this thread who is going around calling people names.
Ignore the trolls.
You're right in your assessment of how things played out. A swamp judge weilded more power than the Executive and Legislative branches put together. And the liberals squeeled with delight.
Many Bushbots quit supporting the entire Bush clan. Many republicans quit the party. I stay in so I can send surveys back to them telling them what they did and making them pay the postage.
Jeb can never be President. He let an incompetent judge push him around. Judge Greer had a speaking engagement today. During the Q & A the question came up re: why this country treats animals better than people through groups like The Humane Society. Greer's Answer: "Animals don't talk."
His answer shows that he's not playing with a full deck. What about people who don't talk or people who do talk? Judge Greer killed Terri for Michael Schiavo. The Bushes let him do it. You are absolutely right. They couldn't save one woman. When the administration talks about spreading liberty, I think about Terri and how hypocritical it is to discuss spreading liberty when Terri had no civil rights.
Florida: the starvation state and now, the boot camp death state; not just for vacations any more. Terri Schindler Schiavo and Martin Anderson, rest in peace. Both of your deaths were state sponsored.
Martin Anderson (14 years old) was beaten to death by Florida Sheriff Deputies while a nurse watched the 30 minute beating before calling an ambulance.
Terri was murdered and Martin was murdered on Jeb Bush's watch. He can't be president of anything now. They martyred Terri. The local good old boys were more important to the Bushes than Terri was.
Martin died on January 6th and when there's a dead child, no amount of damage control will suffice and Jesse Jackson hasn't arrived yet. Martin's death is going to be huge. There's no excuse for beating a child who couldn't keep up during an exercise period and then let him die so he isn't a witness against them.
I congratulate you on a post remarkably lacking in substance.
One year later, this is still totally unacceptable to me. Judge Greer belongs in a federal prison instead of being on the lecture circuit before special interest groups and joking about his line of work (a hit man in a black robe).
Terri's Final Hours is on my profile page.
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