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Myths of Iraq (Col. Ralph Peters)
Real Clear Politics ^ | 3-14-06 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 03/13/2006 9:35:40 PM PST by smoothsailing

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To: jazusamo

You make good points but Doug Rokke was the military's leading specialist in dealing with DU and in fact created many of the protocols in dealing with this problem and I've heard two interviews with him where he's categorically stated that the radioactivity associated with DU will last decades if not longer and will kill far more people than Saddam ever dreamed of.........I can provide you info on where to hear the interview if you'd like.......it is very, very powerful. If the majority of Americans across the country heard his interview we'd be out of Iraq in a month or sooner.


61 posted on 03/14/2006 4:41:32 PM PST by american spirit
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To: carton253
Ah, war is easy in a book...

Not when the book is written by the likes of Ralph Peters. The man is a retired Army Intelligence officer. He's got two books (of 48) on the Army War College reading list Put his name into the War College's search engine, and you get 90 hits, either articles he's written, or other's comments on those articles.

Now don't get me wrong, I like Rummy, and I like his style. But about some things, I think he's too much the former corporate executive, and not enough the former Navy aviator. (He retired from the Naval Reserve in '89 as a Captain). Of course I don't always agree with Peters either, especially his opinion of the Air Force and it's procurement system, I thought the Air Force system was not very good, until I got a look at those of the Army and Navy. Yuck. (Of course the comparison is not 100% fair, since my "look" at each came at different times in the last few decades.)

62 posted on 03/14/2006 4:43:18 PM PST by El Gato
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To: smoothsailing
As I mentioned further up the thread, given what he has to work with, Rumsfeld has done well,IMO.

Well, yes, but at that level if you aren't getting the resources you need, you make it known to your boss, and if you can't get what you need (Support for increased resources, since Congress actually doles them out) from him, you fall on your sword, noisily.

63 posted on 03/14/2006 4:46:58 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
I believe Rummy offered his resignation twice , IIRC, obviously unsuccessfully.
64 posted on 03/14/2006 4:52:57 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: american spirit
I have read 2 articles by Rokke and saw him interviewed on TV, he is very compelling. But I can't see the reasoning of getting out of Iraq immediately even if everything he says is true. If nothing else, we should stay and assist in the cleanup.

This is getting off the original point. I believe the MSM should report on the entire picture of what is happening in Iraq at this time. They should report the bad as well as the good. So far about 90% has been coverage of the bad.

Most of our military and congressional people that have been to Iraq (the ones getting out of the green zone) have said that what is happening there is much better than what the MSM is reporting. I know Iraq is still dangerous, but the MSM should be going out into all areas with our troops and reporting the whole picture.
65 posted on 03/14/2006 5:11:15 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: smoothsailing

If Peters says it's going well, you can be assured that he is saying what he truly believes. There is no political agenda here. He despises Rumsfeld.


66 posted on 03/14/2006 6:13:52 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: redpoll
Most of my former comrades (to use a loaded term) are advocates interesting in using the media to make the world a better place...The solution? Undermine when you can. Delegitimize those in power. Always offer the progressive solution. Offer leftist opinion as revealed truth.

The hypocrist of the mainstream media never ceases to amaze me. If they want to be open leftists and write for Mother Jones, fine. That is their right and there is a proclaimed agenda at publications like that. But to pretend to be from a nuetral, unbiased news source and consistently toe the leftist line to fulfill some idea of a "mission" is hypocritical, dishonest and dangerous.

Bottom line - if they want to make the world a better place they should go work for the Peace Corp.

67 posted on 03/14/2006 6:17:58 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
I'm know Peters isn't all that keen on Rummy, so as you say, his article is testament to his objectivity.

I don't know the original source of their disagreement, they've both been around a long time.It might go back further than the past five years.

68 posted on 03/14/2006 6:33:34 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: jazusamo

I'm glad you're aware of Rokke and his message.....I have no doubts the MSM is doing selectively reporting over there (as usual) but after what I've learned about DU, it'll make me sick seeing smiling Iraqi kids knowing there's a good chance many will die from radiation poisoning or seeing our young warriors living in an environment that has bred high rates of cancer, leukemia, and other debillitating non-combat related diseases among our vets.......it's a travesty.


69 posted on 03/14/2006 6:34:22 PM PST by american spirit
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To: jazusamo

I'm glad you're aware of Rokke and his message.....I have no doubts the MSM is doing selectively reporting over there (as usual) but after what I've learned about DU, it'll make me sick seeing smiling Iraqi kids knowing there's a good chance many will die from radiation poisoning or seeing our young warriors living in an environment that has bred high rates of cancer, leukemia, and other debillitating non-combat related diseases among our vets.......it's a travesty.


70 posted on 03/14/2006 6:34:26 PM PST by american spirit
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To: smoothsailing; tet68; DoughtyOne; Baynative; Farmer Dean; elcid1970; Gay State Conservative; ...

MUST READ PING


71 posted on 03/27/2006 10:10:29 PM PST by Former Military Chick (Pray for my beloved "No Longer Free State" as he is deployed to IRAQ.)
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To: smoothsailing; StarCMC; MikefromOhio; Don't tread on me
Well, well, well...this guy is saying the same things I've been saying.

How many Baghdad eyewitnesses do we need to form a concensus?

72 posted on 03/27/2006 11:33:54 PM PST by Allegra (No mosques were entered or damaged during this post.)
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To: smoothsailing

Bump.


73 posted on 03/27/2006 11:37:39 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("I'm kind of a parasite." Noam Chomsky)
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To: parsifal
One can only hope this view is accurate and true. After being lied to all my life by both sides of whatever, I no longer have much belief in what I am told.

It's true. I'm in Baghdad. I've been posting things similar to what Peters says for some time now.

I have nothing to gain or lose by posting the truth. I just call it as I see it.

74 posted on 03/27/2006 11:38:45 PM PST by Allegra (No mosques were entered or damaged during this post.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

Another viewpoint to consider


75 posted on 03/28/2006 4:05:04 AM PST by Coop (FR= a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: jmc1969; Dog; Cap Huff; DevSix; Boot Hill; Ernest_at_the_Beach; GOPJ
Peters is a very smart man and he isn't bias one bit. He believes Rummy should get the boot big time. If you read his book he lays out quite clearly how Rummy used Iraq to further test his theory of a lighter, cheeper, faster, and less deadly war and refused to change course or even admit there was an insurgency for months and months. Rummy is a good man, but his stubborness and pride are his biggest flaws.

Not this crap again. [sigh] An insurgency was anticipated before the first boots ever hit the ground. Anybody who wants to nitpick with 20/20 hindsight, including Mr. Peters, is welcome to. But it's nothing but armchair quarterbacking. The Administration knew full well the Fedayeen freaks and foreign terrorists would be active. Sure, they hoped the insurgency would die more quickly. Who didn't?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-10-24-insurgence-intel_x.htm

Excerpt from a USA Today hit piece, but it puts this nonsense to bed:

Two reports by the National Intelligence Council, a group of senior analysts that pools assessments from across the nation's intelligence community, warned Bush in January 2003, two months before the invasion, that the conflict could spark factional violence and an anti-U.S. insurgency, the official said.

At least until the next time someone here repeats it as Gospel.

Honestly, who in his/her right mind would NOT have anticipated an insurgency? Can anyone really say that? It's patently absurd.

76 posted on 03/28/2006 4:15:42 AM PST by Coop (FR= a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: jmc1969

When Peters is Secretary of Defence he can run things his way.

Or he can do what his critics say.


77 posted on 03/28/2006 5:55:49 AM PST by usmcobra (I always sing Karaoke the way it is meant to be sung, drunk, badly, and in Japanese)
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To: jmc1969
Peters is a very good man....but his notion that SecDef Rumsfeld should have resigned or been given the "boot" is completely wrong.

Rumsfeld is the best thing that has happened to America Armed Forces in the last 30 years - At every turn he is looking to release our warriors and let them fight - He is not a man looking for excuses or "why we can't reasons" from the old big Green......which is why there are plenty of old dinosaurs out of that old big Green that tend to take shots at him.

Rummy is a good man, but his stubborness and pride are his biggest flaws.

Those are two qualities on the battlefield that all leaders have...and must have.

SecDef Rumsfeld has helped to lead a much needed change throughout our military....and not only regarding personnel, equipment and tactics....but even more importantly in attitude and philosophy.

He has help lead in fighting the most successful unconventional war in history.

78 posted on 03/28/2006 6:19:52 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: Coop

Thanks for the ping.


79 posted on 03/28/2006 7:55:19 AM PST by GOPJ (Peace happens when evil is vanquished -- Cal Thomas)
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To: DevSix
Rumsfeld is the best thing that has happened to America Armed Forces in the last 30 years

I'm with you. And the screams from some of the retired brass tell me he is indeed making some tough decisions. Good on him!

80 posted on 03/28/2006 8:05:55 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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