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Taiwan Storm Set To Get Louder (China)
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| 3-14-2006
| Chris Hogg
Posted on 03/13/2006 6:24:53 PM PST by blam
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posted on
03/13/2006 6:24:55 PM PST
by
blam
To: blam
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posted on
03/13/2006 6:28:30 PM PST
by
Jeff Head
(www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
To: blam
It would be nice if they would wait til we get done with
Iran.
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posted on
03/13/2006 6:30:40 PM PST
by
gondramB
(Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
To: blam
Productive people in Taiwan had better start looking for another place to live.The Butchers of Beijing will have their way,regardless of what anyone in Taiwan,China,The United States or at UN Headquarters thinks.
To: Gay State Conservative
Nice to see the Nationalist Chinese Star instead of the Communists'...
To: Gay State Conservative
Yes that's true. The economy in Taiwan is rotten to the core. They "lead the world" in 10 or 15 electronic devices, like scanners and such, but guess what, only 9% of that is made in Taiwan, 91% is made in China. Their "economic miracle" was cheap labor and our electronics, nothing more. They're good at keeping family shops, but not much more than that. Now all of it has moved over to China, and the lack of originality in Taiwan (and Asian nations in general) is showing in that they don't have a clue about how to get a good economy back again.
I've spent time this last year in Taiwan. Many cities have empty buildings, like Tai Jung, the central city. There are 7 or 8 fourteen story buildings around the train station (which in Asian societies is the best real estate) that are completely empty!!
There's nothing really left of Taiwan. The island is just a crappy piece of land (no resources, LOTS of earthquakes, typhoons) belonging to China, and our idea of defending it dates back to the Soviet era. We should just hand it back and negotiate a goody for ourselves in the process.
Taiwanese don't even take their own defense seriously and can't defend in anyway against China. There is nothing there for us.
The ONLY reason I've heard for defending Taiwan is some sea lanes nonsense. Please, the entire Eastern border of China is on the sea, they have all the ports they need already. Having Taiwan will not change China's military in anyway but will alleviate us of another foreign burden. That's my opinion, but I'm probably pissing someone off with this post.
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posted on
03/13/2006 6:56:26 PM PST
by
starbase
(Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
To: starbase
belonging to China Really?
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posted on
03/13/2006 7:04:50 PM PST
by
RightWhale
(pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
To: blam
I live in China, teach English here, First, about the sea lanes. What I am told by my Chinese friends is that they would like to control the sea lanes between Taiwan and China so they could put more pressure on Japan. If Japan does something they don't like they can shut down that area of the ocean for shipping to Japan. Ships would have to take the long way around.
Second, I have a plan. I think, and this is a little tongue in cheek, that the U.S. should let China have Taiwan but they must also take North Korea. Who would not rather have North Korea controlled by China instead of the Crazy man who is there now. I know this isn't completely serious but I don't think its that bad of an idea.
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posted on
03/13/2006 7:10:56 PM PST
by
KungFuBrad
(American In China)
To: RightWhale
belonging to China
Really?
Well one dirty little secret around here is that the "Taiwanese" language isn't a language at all. They speak Mandarin here for one thing, and for another the "local" language is really the Fukienese dialect of Chinese, Fukien is a province in South Eastern China.
Fukien Chinese came here 2 or 3 hundred years ago and have been here ever since, so it is indisputably Chinese. Plus the unique Chinese writing is pretty hard to miss. While there are many ways to parse the "ownership" conversation, in actual fact there is no way to deny that the people here are, and have always been, Chinese. The Chinese have a list of arguments such as a Japanese almanac from the 1700's stating that Taiwan is Chinese, I don't want to reiterate all of their arguments, but from an objective viewpoint it is a Chinese island.
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posted on
03/13/2006 7:20:18 PM PST
by
starbase
(Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
To: blam
To: starbase
Can you explain the Taiwan independence supporters' argument about how they are not ethnically Chinese?
To: KungFuBrad
You do realize 23 Million Starving North Koreans is a massive burden. Even China who has enought money to feed these people for decades to come ($800 Billion Foreign Reserve @ $5 B/Yr) have there limits too.
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posted on
03/13/2006 7:47:48 PM PST
by
Petey139
To: Fishing-guy
Can you explain the Taiwan independence supporters' argument about how they are not ethnically Chinese?
Yes, the explanation is that the claim is simply a lie. Or to be more gracious, wishful thinking.
Ask them to demonstrate how they are not ethnically Chinese and they will be unable to do so. The language is Fukiense Chinese, the writing is very clearly Chinese, and the people all came from China (though there is a very tiny population of darker skinned indigenous people here with a more primitive culture (think American Indians) and different language, they largely live in their own little villages)
Just do what I mention above, ask them how they can have Chinese language, Chinese writing, have come from China, but still aren't Chinese. They won't be able to answer you because they are Chinese. They do have a very red-necky stubborn streak though, which is why they insist they are a unique culture even when you can see they are the same. They will split hairs with you and can sometimes be very annoying in their insistence on being right, even when they are clearly wrong about something. It's obnoxious, and you can't believe they won't drop the matter. That's one characteristic about people in Taiwan (and many other Chinese as well) that isn't very flattering.
But they are Chinese, whether they like it or not, and OUR country, should not pay in blood for some silly people's misconceptions about themselves.
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posted on
03/13/2006 8:10:11 PM PST
by
starbase
(Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
To: blam
Maybe it's because I am *not* Chinese, but I fail to understand what in the heck ethnicity, language, writing, or anything else has to do with this. Taiwan doesn't "belong" to China any more than the U.S. to Great Britain.
- We speak English here in the U.S. yet we have *no* allegiance to the U.K.
- The majority of Americans are still of British descent, yet we have *no* allegiance to the U.K.
- The U.S. even used to be a British colony, yet today we have *no* allegiance to the U.K.
Sheesh. It's really simple -- the Communists swept over the mainland and those who didn't want to live under a totalitarian, murderous, UNfree society collectively said SCREW YOU to the Communists and fled to the island.
When the people on the mainland ditch Communism, when they let people WHO AREN'T COMMUNISTS run for office, when they let people vote for these NON-Communists, when they throw their totalitarian regime onto the ash-heap of history, *then* people might be willing to join them. Why doesn't Taiwan want to join the mainland? HOW DO YOU SAY 'DUH' IN CHINESE???
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posted on
03/13/2006 8:23:45 PM PST
by
Windcatcher
(Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
To: blam
So why bother to risk antagonizing them again?
Some people just NEED antagonizing!
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posted on
03/13/2006 8:27:10 PM PST
by
tet68
( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
To: starbase
I speak English, write English I must be an Englishman? Fact is they are politically and hence culturally different and a friend of the US of A
Extend your argument to the southwest (remember the Alamo) and we should give it back to Mexico, or Israel back to the Palestinians?
To: KungFuBrad
I live in China, teach English here ... Are you using a proxy server to connect to FreeRepublic ? I would think that is one site name the Chinese censors would block !!!
To: Windcatcher
HOW DO YOU SAY 'DUH' IN CHINESE???
-
I believe that would be " 廢話 "
(sounds like "fei hwa")
To: Jeff Head
Sounds like the beat goes on and the thicken plots, Buddy.
Wheeeee. Sigh.
God's best to you and family.
LUB
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posted on
03/13/2006 8:35:24 PM PST
by
Quix
(GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Groups choosing death can reap it)
To: starbase
Natives on Orchid Isle might argue with you. They have much more in common with a tribe on a Philipines island.
But . . . hey, aren't you for self-determination? LOL.
I'd rather see unity but only peacefully.
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posted on
03/13/2006 8:40:28 PM PST
by
Quix
(GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Groups choosing death can reap it)
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