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Plame's identity, if truly a secret, was thinly veiled
Chicago Tribune ^ | March 11, 2006 | John Crewdson

Posted on 03/11/2006 6:36:52 PM PST by rightwingintelligentsia

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To: Lancey Howard; Bahbah
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Of course, it all goes to motive.

For Fitz to convince a jury that Fitz lied, rather than merely misspoke out of confusion (Libby's defense), he needs to demonstrate that Libby had a reason to lie. Once the defense shows that Plame was NOT covert for at least five years prior to the time period of Novak's column, and was in fact known by friends, neighbors, and journalists all across the countryside to be an employee of the CIA, then the jury should reach the obvious conclusion that Libby had no reason to lie. Why would he lie?

21 posted on 03/11/2006 9:27:06 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

This is the first time I have seen such a converted effort to correct the record (FIVE articles in the Chicago Tribune on why Plame wasn't a NOC and how sloppy the agency is in protecting the identity of its agents).
This is the first time the CIA and ex-CIA critics of the "Plame was covert" meme spread by the rogue anti-Bush, pro-Kerry ex-agents who are members of the VIPs(Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity) have come forward. Are we seeing a counterattck? I think we are.


22 posted on 03/11/2006 9:40:05 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: Lancey Howard; Howlin
Why would he lie?

I know we have all thought of this before but there are times this hits me in a chilling way. We have Wilson out lying that he was sent to Niger by the Vice President. In fact it turns out that he was unqualified for the mission, didn't file a written report and didn't sign the standard confidentiality agreement. Then in comes Fitzgerald who is given unbridled authority and who more and more seems to have conducted an investigation under false pretense. And the only one facing trial is Libby...just staggering.

23 posted on 03/11/2006 9:45:06 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Flimsier than the veils of Lily St. Cyr.


24 posted on 03/11/2006 9:51:24 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: the Real fifi

should be "such a concerted effort "


25 posted on 03/11/2006 9:53:19 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: Howlin; nopardons
Covert? Sheesh, you'd think the CIA could do better than this. :)

26 posted on 03/11/2006 10:02:39 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: the Real fifi
Are we seeing a counterattck? I think we are.

I sure hope so and I hope it's being led by more than the Libby defense team.

27 posted on 03/11/2006 10:36:11 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: Howlin

bttt


28 posted on 03/11/2006 10:53:02 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Cicero
I think your theory is probably valid. This whole story has always sounded just a little too "pat" to me.

What I find even more remarkable is that the same news organizations, who pressed so hard for a Plame investigation, are perfectly willing to forget all about an investigation regarding WHO LEAKED the NSA wiretap info. Incredible, huh?
29 posted on 03/11/2006 11:42:19 PM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: Dolphy
Exactly. One REALLY has to wonder: Just what was Fitz's mission? There are just to many reasons why Wilson was the WRONG person for anyone in the White House to have sent him to Niger---and the whole mess just gets MORE convoluted from that point!!

Here we are, spending all this time and effort (not to mention money!) on this non-issue, and we STILL haven't seem the Barrett Report that we paid for years ago!!!
30 posted on 03/12/2006 12:00:43 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Somebody explain to me how you can drive to work each day to CIA headquarters, drive through the front gate and then say it was all a secret...

Doesn't make any sense at all...


31 posted on 03/12/2006 12:19:32 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: airborne

Not for Libby. He's facing 30 years in prison for this nonsense.


32 posted on 03/12/2006 2:29:39 AM PST by Patriot from Philly
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To: Dolphy

Patrick Fitzgerald—A Tale of Two Cases and a Congressman

The general media view of Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor who has indicted “Scooter” Libby for perjury, obstruction of justice, and false statements in the Plame leak investigation is that he is an incorruptible “prosecutor’s prosecutor.” A closer look at an earlier communications interception case involving Senator Tom Harkin (D, Iowa) and the Libby case, a curious recommendation for him made by Representative Gerald Nadler (D, NY), and his own background all suggest something far different and more sinister.

I. THE TWO CASES

According to an October 22, 2005 NewsMax article, http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/10/22/142646.shtml Fitzgerald. was the U.S. Attorney assigned to investigate a communications interception case where operatives of U.S. Senator Tom Harkin (D, Iowa) arranged secretly to tape a strategy meeting involving Harkin’s Republican opponent, Rep Greg Ganske. Brian Conley, a former aide to Harkin, made the recording while attending the meeting at the request of Rafael Ruthchild, a Harkin operative, and returned the recording and recorder to Ruthchild. When the Ganske campaign learned of this, they complained to Polk County, Iowa Attorney John Sarcone and to Fitzgerald, the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois. Conley and Ruthchild both refused to participate in the investigation and Ruthchild resigned from her job with Harkin.

The Federal statute in this case, 18 USC § 2511(1)(a) specifically prohibits any person from intercepting “any wire, oral or electronic communication[.]” This taping of the Ganske meeting appears to have been such an illegal interception. Nevertheless, the noted NewsMax article reported that Fitzgerald, after about a two week investigation, “announced there was no violation of federal law by Harkin’s team.” Fitzgerald apparently did not even interview Harkin, who “staunchly denied he had any prior knowledge of the possibility of a criminal tape plot.”

This starkly contrasts with Fitzgerald’s investigation of the Plame leak case. Here the alleged underlying violation was of either the 1992 Intelligence Identities Protection Act (the Identities Act) or the Espionage Act. The Identities Act prohibits disclosure of the identities of “covert” CIA agents, 50 USC § 421, and narrowly defines a “covert” CIA agent as an individual whose “identity . . . is classified information and . . . who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States[.]” The Espionage Act, 18 USC § 793 is equally narrow in that it applies only to a specifically listed set of disclosures, not including the disclosure of covert agents’ identities and prohibits such disclosure only if it is done “with intent or reason to believe the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation[.]”

Plame wasn’t a “covert” agent since she had returned to the United States more than five years before her identity was disclosed. There couldn’t have been a violation of the Espionage Act because “covert” agents’ identities aren’t covered by that act and any disclosure of her identity was to protect the United States from the damage she and her husband were doing to it, not with intent to use the knowledge to injure the United States or help a foreign power.

Nevertheless, Fitzgerald went ahead with the Plame investigation without any reasonable chance of discovering any underlying statutory violation while he dropped the Harkin investigation, in spite of clear appearances that there was an underlying violation. Why??

II. THE CONGRESSMAN

Enter Gerald Nadler (D, NY), a far left Democratic congressman from New York, who distinguished himself with his passionate defense of ex-president Clinton during Clinton’s impeachment by the U.S. House of Representatives. Subsequently, Mr. Nadler enthusiastically supported of Hillary Clinton in her run for the NY Senate seat she now holds. He can be anticipated to do his all supporting her in her likely run for the presidency in 2008.

Mr. Nadler has apparently been watching Patrick Fitzgerald’s handling of the Harkin and Plame cases and approved of the way he’s done both or, at least, Fitzgerald’s handling of the Plame investigation. Once again our old friend NewsMax has done some worthwhile digging and gone to Mr. Nadler’s website. On October 22, 2005 NewsMax, http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/10/22/234208.shtml reported that “Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee are so pleased with reports that Leakgate prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is about to indict senior White House officials that they want him to lead an impeachment investigation into whether President Bush lied to Congress about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.” According to the same report, Nadler has written to the Justice Department and requested it to expand Fitzgerad’s investigation.

All this leads an inquiring mind to ask why Nadler, a strong supporter of Hillary in all her endeavors, is such a strong supporter of Fitzgerald. Is it possible that he knows something about Fitrzgerald, or ethically dubious communications involving Fitzgerald, that have not been publicly disclosed?

Fitzgerald’s background and general present situation suggestion that’s exactly the explanation for Nadler’s view.

Fitzgerald turned 45 on December 22, 2005. He has served a little more than four years as US Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, having been confirmed on October 24, 2001. Before then his entire career was spent in various positions in the Justice Department, meaning he is now and has always been a man of no more than upper middle class means. His whole career shows that he’s a very ambitious man. According to an August 4, 2005 article in the Chicago Sun-Times http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-fitz04.html US. attorneys normally only serve four year terms, Fitzgerald’s time is up, and there’s “speculation that he’ll be shown the door[.]”

Thus, it boils down to the fact that Fitzgerald is a very ambitious lawyer of no more than upper middle class means who’s at the end of his current career trajectory. He must find another way to advance and has shown an unscrupulous willingness to attack the Bush administration in the Plame investigation far different from his disinclination to follow a more promising investigation against Harkin. Now he has the golden opportunity of a lifetime—the chance to be the lynchpin of the Democrats’ effort to do what they have been absolutely unable to do since 2000, elect a Democratic President and Congress by destroying the Bush presidency in a time of war. If Fitzgerald accomplishes that, he will be their superstar and is almost assured to become Hillary’s Attorney General. His motive for pursuing this investigation where there is no underlying crime is clear—he ambitiously and unscrupulously desires to become Hillary’s Attorney General.


33 posted on 03/12/2006 4:17:26 AM PST by libstripper
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To: singfreedom

Patrick Fitzgerald—A Tale of Two Cases and a Congressman

The general media view of Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor who has indicted “Scooter” Libby for perjury, obstruction of justice, and false statements in the Plame leak investigation is that he is an incorruptible “prosecutor’s prosecutor.” A closer look at an earlier communications interception case involving Senator Tom Harkin (D, Iowa) and the Libby case, a curious recommendation for him made by Representative Gerald Nadler (D, NY), and his own background all suggest something far different and more sinister.

I. THE TWO CASES

According to an October 22, 2005 NewsMax article, http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/10/22/142646.shtml Fitzgerald. was the U.S. Attorney assigned to investigate a communications interception case where operatives of U.S. Senator Tom Harkin (D, Iowa) arranged secretly to tape a strategy meeting involving Harkin’s Republican opponent, Rep Greg Ganske. Brian Conley, a former aide to Harkin, made the recording while attending the meeting at the request of Rafael Ruthchild, a Harkin operative, and returned the recording and recorder to Ruthchild. When the Ganske campaign learned of this, they complained to Polk County, Iowa Attorney John Sarcone and to Fitzgerald, the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois. Conley and Ruthchild both refused to participate in the investigation and Ruthchild resigned from her job with Harkin.

The Federal statute in this case, 18 USC § 2511(1)(a) specifically prohibits any person from intercepting “any wire, oral or electronic communication[.]” This taping of the Ganske meeting appears to have been such an illegal interception. Nevertheless, the noted NewsMax article reported that Fitzgerald, after about a two week investigation, “announced there was no violation of federal law by Harkin’s team.” Fitzgerald apparently did not even interview Harkin, who “staunchly denied he had any prior knowledge of the possibility of a criminal tape plot.”

This starkly contrasts with Fitzgerald’s investigation of the Plame leak case. Here the alleged underlying violation was of either the 1992 Intelligence Identities Protection Act (the Identities Act) or the Espionage Act. The Identities Act prohibits disclosure of the identities of “covert” CIA agents, 50 USC § 421, and narrowly defines a “covert” CIA agent as an individual whose “identity . . . is classified information and . . . who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States[.]” The Espionage Act, 18 USC § 793 is equally narrow in that it applies only to a specifically listed set of disclosures, not including the disclosure of covert agents’ identities and prohibits such disclosure only if it is done “with intent or reason to believe the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation[.]”

Plame wasn’t a “covert” agent since she had returned to the United States more than five years before her identity was disclosed. There couldn’t have been a violation of the Espionage Act because “covert” agents’ identities aren’t covered by that act and any disclosure of her identity was to protect the United States from the damage she and her husband were doing to it, not with intent to use the knowledge to injure the United States or help a foreign power.

Nevertheless, Fitzgerald went ahead with the Plame investigation without any reasonable chance of discovering any underlying statutory violation while he dropped the Harkin investigation, in spite of clear appearances that there was an underlying violation. Why??

II. THE CONGRESSMAN

Enter Gerald Nadler (D, NY), a far left Democratic congressman from New York, who distinguished himself with his passionate defense of ex-president Clinton during Clinton’s impeachment by the U.S. House of Representatives. Subsequently, Mr. Nadler enthusiastically supported of Hillary Clinton in her run for the NY Senate seat she now holds. He can be anticipated to do his all supporting her in her likely run for the presidency in 2008.

Mr. Nadler has apparently been watching Patrick Fitzgerald’s handling of the Harkin and Plame cases and approved of the way he’s done both or, at least, Fitzgerald’s handling of the Plame investigation. Once again our old friend NewsMax has done some worthwhile digging and gone to Mr. Nadler’s website. On October 22, 2005 NewsMax, http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/10/22/234208.shtml reported that “Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee are so pleased with reports that Leakgate prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is about to indict senior White House officials that they want him to lead an impeachment investigation into whether President Bush lied to Congress about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.” According to the same report, Nadler has written to the Justice Department and requested it to expand Fitzgerad’s investigation.

All this leads an inquiring mind to ask why Nadler, a strong supporter of Hillary in all her endeavors, is such a strong supporter of Fitzgerald. Is it possible that he knows something about Fitrzgerald, or ethically dubious communications involving Fitzgerald, that have not been publicly disclosed?

Fitzgerald’s background and general present situation suggestion that’s exactly the explanation for Nadler’s view.

Fitzgerald turned 45 on December 22, 2005. He has served a little more than four years as US Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, having been confirmed on October 24, 2001. Before then his entire career was spent in various positions in the Justice Department, meaning he is now and has always been a man of no more than upper middle class means. His whole career shows that he’s a very ambitious man. According to an August 4, 2005 article in the Chicago Sun-Times http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-fitz04.html US. attorneys normally only serve four year terms, Fitzgerald’s time is up, and there’s “speculation that he’ll be shown the door[.]”

Thus, it boils down to the fact that Fitzgerald is a very ambitious lawyer of no more than upper middle class means who’s at the end of his current career trajectory. He must find another way to advance and has shown an unscrupulous willingness to attack the Bush administration in the Plame investigation far different from his disinclination to follow a more promising investigation against Harkin. Now he has the golden opportunity of a lifetime—the chance to be the lynchpin of the Democrats’ effort to do what they have been absolutely unable to do since 2000, elect a Democratic President and Congress by destroying the Bush presidency in a time of war. If Fitzgerald accomplishes that, he will be their superstar and is almost assured to become Hillary’s Attorney General. His motive for pursuing this investigation where there is no underlying crime is clear—he ambitiously and unscrupulously desires to become Hillary’s Attorney General.


34 posted on 03/12/2006 4:18:44 AM PST by libstripper
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To: Patriot from Philly

Good point, but he'll beat the bogus rap.


35 posted on 03/12/2006 5:38:00 AM PST by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: singfreedom
This is from the 2/12/06 Meet the Press Transcript on MSNBC:

Sen Roberts....."I remember when we had the investigation on the 9/11 investigation joint House/Senate Intelligence Committee. And then there was an intercept, an NSA intercept, and it was leaked to the press—had nothing to do with 9/11 but it was very incendiary. The time is now, the match is burning, OK? And so the president said, “Whoa! Wait a minute. Stop! Stop the whole thing. I’m not going to give you anything.” And then the FBI was granted permission to investigate the Congress when we were investigating the FBI. How silly was that! So it does happen from Congress. I suspect it’s some Justice Department guy by a water cooler who’s upset about this or it may even be—perish the thought—a FISA judge whose basic, you know, feelings or ego is second only to that of senators."

I think Roberts was actually blowing the whistle on a FISA judge here, although in an off-handed , seemingly avuncular way that drew absolutely no comment, but probably hit the mark with everybody around the table--Russert, Daschle, Harman and Hoekstra

36 posted on 03/12/2006 7:00:49 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: AZRepublican
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Well, I'm glad the media is finally waking up. Too bad you're still sleeping.

While the topic might bore you, one man's career is on the line with this distinction: Plame's status was about as much of a secret as Michael Jackson's phony nose.

37 posted on 03/12/2006 9:02:20 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: bjc

It's old news to us. What's new is that they're finally printing a bit of the truth for a change.


38 posted on 03/12/2006 9:07:32 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: gusopol3

Interesting! I don't watch MTP, so this is new to me.


39 posted on 03/12/2006 9:11:48 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Bump


40 posted on 03/12/2006 10:42:22 AM PST by aculeus
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