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The Marquis de Sade: The Left’s Man of Diverse ‘Sexual Orientations’
Chron Watch ^ | Macch 5 2002 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 03/05/2006 1:16:28 PM PST by little jeremiah

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To: GladesGuru

"assume room temperature"

Ha! Took me a while to figure out, but that's funny!


41 posted on 03/05/2006 7:20:06 PM PST by To Hell With Poverty (excess ain't rebellion, you're drinkin' what they're sellin'...)
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To: RBroadfoot

I respectfully disagree. Anyone who is a useful tool of the left can inform themselves and see the truth. I used to be a raving leftist. Raving. I changed; anyone can change. All they need is a desire to know what's real and what's true. No one is so stupid or ill informed that they can't change. Only the organically retarded have an excuse.

As they used to say, "If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem."


42 posted on 03/05/2006 7:20:19 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: GladesGuru
How's 'bout "Practice coprophillia and assume room temperature

I prefer, 'Masticate feces and expire.'

43 posted on 03/05/2006 7:22:03 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: therut

I'll tell you why I have hope.

1. If the leftists win, there's still hope. Why? Because a society based on falsehood, no objective reality, false compassion placed wrongly (remember what the road to hell is paved with), aggressive atheism, hedonism, and rebellion against all morality based on universal religious principles (the only kind there is) is doomed to anarchy. People, without family structure (I mean REAL family) will become feral humans. Complete chaos will ensue. Then totalitarianism will occur to stem the mayhem, which will likely then allow human civilization again at some point.

2. I don't think it will get that far because (a) too many people haven't gone insane yet, and (b) at least in the US, many of those who haven't gone totally insane are armed.

There!

Where there's life, there's hope.

And if everyone who sees reality speaks up, and does whatever s/he can, there's hope.


44 posted on 03/05/2006 7:26:13 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: little jeremiah
Yup.

When I learned who funded this garbage and why, what their beliefs are and whence they came, it led to pretty serious depression. For the first time in over twenty years I prayed. It led me back to the Lord and our family has never been the same. :-)

45 posted on 03/05/2006 7:27:51 PM PST by Carry_Okie (And the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.)
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To: Carry_Okie

LOL!! They're both good.


46 posted on 03/05/2006 7:28:35 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Note my comment above about hope...


47 posted on 03/05/2006 7:29:56 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: Carry_Okie

Nice. That's why pain exists - to remind us that we are eating the pigslop and our Father is waiting for us.


48 posted on 03/05/2006 7:32:29 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: little jeremiah
I worked as a bouncer at a bondage bar during college. Not my sort of thing, really, but it definitely wasn't the orgiastic madness that Ms. Kimball describes here. Frankly, what I took away from the experience was that people's "degenerate" sexual fetishes are surprisingly boring and fairly prevalent with a large cross-section of society. We didn't allow cameras in the club, partly because we wanted to maintain a certain mystique, but also because patrons and employees sometimes led double-lives. Doctors, lawyers, local politicians, businessmen, teachers, etc. all came in at one time or another.

Some people like to play with poop in bed, others will pay a dominatrix $500/hour to physically humiliate them, but everyone in that club and everyone in the scene was very very serious about consent and safety. De Sade might be known as the man who popularized the notion of sadomasochism, but very few people in the bondage scene would condone or seek to repeat his actions. No one that I ever met at the club would kidnap someone or do that sort of stuff with minors; everything was very safe, or at least in the more extreme cases, very consensual.

On a more personal note, I will say that a number of people at the club spent thousands of dollars on fetish gear when they would have been better served to spend a couple hours a day at the gym. *euch* I haven't seen that much white since the Halloween Blizzard of 1991.

49 posted on 03/05/2006 7:47:02 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: little jeremiah
LOL!! They're both good.

Yeah, when yuh tells that to the libberills they defecate rectalinear structural elements.

50 posted on 03/05/2006 8:44:20 PM PST by Carry_Okie (And the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.)
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To: Zeroisanumber

First of all, your experience is anecdotal - one club, what you saw.

Her article uses data collected from many sources.

People have been known to suffer injuries and even death from rough sex. Just because you didn't personally witness it doesn't mean there isn't any "rough trade".

Second, even if perverted crap doesn't maim or kill, it's still degrading and dangerous, especially when promoted as just the same as marital relations between husband and wife.


51 posted on 03/05/2006 8:47:55 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: Carry_Okie

LOL!! Took a couple of seconds to figure that one out. Still laughing!

Thanks, laughter is very healthy!

(Still chortling...)


52 posted on 03/05/2006 8:49:31 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Great article LJ!


53 posted on 03/06/2006 5:06:22 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't like Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: little jeremiah

You'll never get Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity talking about issues like this. The internet is all we have.


54 posted on 03/06/2006 5:08:21 AM PST by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male (NRA))
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To: Carry_Okie
I learned who funded this garbage and why, what their beliefs are and whence they came,...

Those of us, such as you and I, are familiar with the leftist utopia of Santa Cruz.

Being much enlightened, unlike most of the oblivious others in the Bermuda Triangle of Lost Sanity (S.F. Bay, Monterey Bay, San Jose), we actually witnessed the madness first hand and saw it for what it is.

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...it led to pretty serious depression.

That is the whole objective - - to emotionally subjugate the population through depression and despair...

The fantastic is, of course, most closely related to the imagination (Phantasien), but the imagination is related in it’s turn to feeling, understanding, and will, so that a person’s feelings, understanding and will may be fantastic. Fantasy is, in general the medium of infinitization...

The fantastic is generally speaking what carries a person into the infinite in such a way that it only leads him away from himself and thus prevents him from coming back to himself. (Kierkegaard, p 60-61)

Kierkegaard, Søren. The Sickness Unto Death. Trans. Alastair Hannay. New York : Penguin, 1989.

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Part III. Of a Christian Commonwealth.
Chap. xxxviii. Of Eternal Life, Hell, Salvation, and Redemption.

[12] And first, for the tormentors, we have their nature and properties exactly and properly delivered by the names of the Enemy (or Satan), the Accuser (or Diabolus), the Destroyer (or Abaddon). Which significant names (Satan, Devil, Abaddon) set not forth to us any individual person, as proper names do, but only an office or quality,...

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlv. Of Demonology and other Relics of the Religion of the Gentiles.

[10] Another relic of Gentilism is the worship of images,... it was the general religion of the Gentiles to worship for gods those appearances that remain in the brain from the impression of external bodies upon the organs of their senses, which are commonly called ideas, idols, phantasms, conceits, as being representations of those external bodies which cause them, and have nothing in them of reality, no more than there is in the things that seem to stand before us in a dream.

[14] An image, in the most strict signification of the word, is the resemblance of something visible: in which sense the fantastical forms, apparitions, or seemings of visible bodies to the sight, are only images; such as are the show of a man... these are the images which are originally and most properly called ideas and idols, and derived from the language of the Grecians, with whom the word eido signifieth to see. They are also called phantasms, which is in the same language, apparitions. And from these images it is that one of the faculties of man's nature is called the imagination...

[16] And whereas a man can fancy shapes he never saw, making up a figure out of the parts of divers creatures, as the poets make their centaurs, chimeras and other monsters never seen, so can he also give matter to those shapes, and make them in wood, clay or metal. And these are also called images, not for the resemblance of any corporeal thing, but for the resemblance of some phantastical inhabitants of the brain of the maker.

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness

[1] ...For seeing Beelzebub is prince of phantasms, inhabitants of his dominion of air and darkness, the children of darkness, and these demons, phantasms, or spirits of illusion, signify allegorically the same thing. This considered, the kingdom of darkness, as it is set forth in these and other places of the Scripture, is nothing else but a confederacy of deceivers that, to obtain dominion over men in this present world, endeavour, by dark and erroneous doctrines, to extinguish in them the light, both of nature and of the gospel; and so to disprepare them for the kingdom of God to come.

Hobbes, Thomas. Leviathan: with selected variants from the Latin edition of 1668. Ed. Edwin Curley. Indianapolis: Hackett, 1994. http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/hobbes/leviathan-contents.html

Ah, the magical, mystical fairyland of Santa Cruz...

New Age induces a benevolent relaxation that may be disabling in the face of aggression. In a world of terrorism, New Agers can only take to the hills and leave their scriptures in jars at Esalen.

Camille Paglia, Cults and Cosmic Consciousness: Religious Vision in the American 1960s

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When dominated by the Spectre, the self becomes a hermaphroditic Selfhood, whom Blake calls Satan or Death...

...Incestuous self-insemination: the grappling duo is a new Khepera, the masturbatory Egyptian cosmos-maker. Actors and audience are a sexual octopus of many legs and eyes.

The contest between male Spectre and female Emanation is archaic ritual combat. I find homosexual overtones in the betrayal of the self into a queasy spectral world ruled by dark, deceiving male figures. Note the elegance with which Blake’s Spectre theory fits Shakespeare’s Othello. A conspiratorial Spectre, Iago, is homoerotically obsessed with splitting Othello, through jealous fears, from his Emanation, Desdemona. (Jealousy and fear are the Spectres’ regular weapons.) Othello, cleaving to his Spectre instead of casting him off, destroys himself. He ends by not killing his Spectre but his Emanation. (Paglia, p. 287-289)

Paglia, Camille. Sexual Personae: art and decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson, New Haven: Yale University Press, 1990. Rpr. First Vintage Books Edition, September 1991, New York.


55 posted on 03/06/2006 5:09:06 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Zeroisanumber
De Sade might be known as the man who popularized the notion of sadomasochism, but very few people in the bondage scene would condone or seek to repeat his actions.

No, they just worship them like a savage would worship an idol... repeating them in ritual behavior...

“When dominated by the Spectre, the self becomes a hermaphroditic Selfhood, whom Blake calls Satan or Death...

...Incestuous self-insemination: the grappling duo is a new Khepera, the masturbatory Egyptian cosmos-maker. Actors and audience are a sexual octopus of many legs and eyes.

The contest between male Spectre and female Emanation is archaic ritual combat. I find homosexual overtones in the betrayal of the self into a queasy spectral world ruled by dark, deceiving male figures. Note the elegance with which Blake’s Spectre theory fits Shakespeare’s Othello. A conspiratorial Spectre, Iago, is homoerotically obsessed with splitting Othello, through jealous fears, from his Emanation, Desdemona. (Jealousy and fear are the Spectres’ regular weapons.) Othello, cleaving to his Spectre instead of casting him off, destroys himself. He ends by not killing his Spectre but his Emanation.” (Paglia, p. 287-289)

Paglia, Camille. Sexual Personae: art and decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson, New Haven: Yale University Press, 1990. Rpr. First Vintage Books Edition, September 1991, New York.

56 posted on 03/06/2006 5:22:38 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: little jeremiah

Excellent article. Thanks for posting.


57 posted on 03/06/2006 5:32:44 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: RBroadfoot; little jeremiah
little jeremiah: America’s Left is comprised of two sorts of people: those willing to engage in evil and those who are willing to aid and abet it.

RBroadfoot: The second sort is an entirely clueless group.

You are both partially correct... the second group are willing to aid and abet their own cluelessness... with a state of oblivious Nirvana; i.e., idleness and superflous living... television sit-coms, spectator sports (so perverse in their fantasies, they even wear their ballcaps backward), movies, drugs, perversion - - they are contented with the phantasmal surreality created for them...

Observe when in public places, at your workplace or in other community activities (i.e., restaurants, retail stores, gas stations, etc.) the pervasive presence of some exposure to music or television. This is because many people are actually terrified of being alone with their own thoughts or at the prospect of it (neuro-linguistic programming).

Try an experiment, turn radios off at work, request as a customer patronizing private businesses that music or television is unplugged so you can have some personal tranquility with your family, friends, associates, etc. You will find a great resistance, even hostility to such a request. Ask yourself why, then consider what thoughts such people have they are so afraid of, if they are capable of or desire to have any of their own. THEY DO NOT!

58 posted on 03/06/2006 5:46:54 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: goldstategop

De Sade is interesting, in that he shows what a depraved mind with little restraint can do. Gives the lie to anyone who believes man is basically good.


59 posted on 03/06/2006 6:04:17 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
De Sade was a product of the Enlightenment who pushed things to an extreme. The world of his novels are populated by people who do unspeakable things because they are devoid of moral absolutes or laws. In some respects he is the forerunner of anarchism in that for him the individual outranks society and the state and the ideal state of human affairs would be a world in every one could do, in the absence of restraints save that peculiar to his own nature, as he pleased.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

60 posted on 03/06/2006 6:09:52 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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