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The Other Legacy of New Orleans (Illegal gun seizures)
blogcritics.org ^ | February 03, 2006 | Dave Nalle

Posted on 03/05/2006 4:50:17 AM PST by chemicalman

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To: MarkL
Private sale
You have less choice and have to be more careful of course but who cares
Those older pieces are still effective
21 posted on 03/05/2006 6:49:16 AM PST by 1903A3
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To: chemicalman
From your first link:

""New Orleans was the first place in American history to disarm peaceable citizens, house-by-house, at gunpoint," LaPierre said. "And I promise you this standing here today: We at the NRA are going to make sure it's the last place it ever happens.""

Randy Weaver or Waco (and dozens of other lesser-knowns) didn't even get honorable mention, huh?

Well, I'll admit it wasn't house-by-house. It was just 'house.' I guess that makes it okay. And those weren't about confiscating guns anyway. It was only about taking down 'enemies of the state.' ;(

What we need is a national organization that works against tyranny in general, to include property confiscations, eminent domain, no second-hand smoke laws, taxation without representation, arbritrary police powers, judges who make more money under the table than they get paid in salaries, congress critters likewise, etc.

Yeah, that's what we need. A quick-response anti-tyranny team to nip the wannabe despots in the bud, regardless of what level of government service they are in.

I know the basic rule is that you have to go to court to claim your rights at great expense . . . an expense few can afford, even though everybody agrees you were born with those rights.

Problem is, few are aware of the basic rule. The other problem is there are no penalties for gummint folks who violate your rights and their oath of office . . . those who kill, cheat, rob, and violate the rights of Citizens they are sworn to protect.

Replacing 'ne-er-do-wells' at the polls each year seems like the only remedy. Not too effective, I fear, as we get more of the same from the incoming shipment of public servants.

Immediate and sure remedies to correct the errant ways of our public servants ought to be in force. Great minds should start working on this.

22 posted on 03/05/2006 8:15:54 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: ctdonath2
Seems that only the CHP (California Highway Patrol) cops, donating their services to the area, were the ones to actually do the house-to-house confiscations; they certainly did not "get them all".

Military units also did. Federal and mobilized national guard from all states and territories. The guns were turned over to New orleans or LA authorities and no records were kept of what was taken and from whom.

LA authorities intended to destroy the weapons and may have already done so.

New Orleans PD -- well we know about them; some of them bugged out and some took part in the looting, none of them are any good from rookie to chief and back again. They will probably just hand weapons over to their fellow criminals. So a citizen might see his gone again, it'll just be a gangbanger carjacking him with it.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

23 posted on 03/05/2006 8:17:19 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: CPOSharky
If you buy a gun from a private owner - no record. If you state does not require registration - no record. All perfectly legal. That's why I will not live in a state that requires registration. Or even in a neighborhood that has a "homeowners association."


Makes good sense to me

24 posted on 03/05/2006 8:50:12 AM PST by Nat Turner (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME)
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To: Nat Turner

In the movie "Red Dawn" where the invaders set up a base in a small Colorado town, one of the first orders the new commander issued was to go to the gun stores and collect the "4473s", the yellow form every buyer has to fill out when he buys a gun from a dealer. The dealer must keep those forms on file forever or until he goes out of business, when he is to forward them to the BATFE.
Since the ATF can come inspect a gunstore and the records therein at any time, there have been plenty of reports of ATF employees simply entering all the 4473 data into portable computers, probably for uploading into a national database. If you bought it from a dealer Big Brother knows about it.
Even if you buy it from a private party it can probably be traced to you since that private party needs to cover his -- er -- assets if an investigation is conducted. It may seem wrong in many respects, but the only gun you can buy and be reasonably certain it won't be traced is a stolen one.


25 posted on 03/05/2006 9:44:23 AM PST by oldfart ("All governments and all civilizations fall... eventually. Our government is not immune.)
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To: Shimmer128
I'm just wondering, how did they get them all?? Surely people denied having them or otherwise hid them? My husband would never give up his legal guns "just because I said so".

Individuals were given no choice. The authorities searched houses, if they so much as suspected there was a firearm present. Plus many folks likely weren't hiding their guns, but rather displaying them as a deterrent. Plus the "You loot, We shoot" signs in the neighborhoods. However I'm sure they did not get them all. I don't know if they went to local guns stores and looked at the 4473s or not. If they did, that is yet another violation, of a mere federal law. But who cares about a mere law when one is raping the Constitution? Still it would be interesting to know if they used the de facto registration records maintained by the dealers.

26 posted on 03/05/2006 10:13:57 AM PST by El Gato
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To: MarkL
All the more reason to have some guns "legally," and some where there's no record whatsover. Of course, I'd never do something like that, since it would be illegal.

That depends on where you live. Most states it's perfectly legal to purchase firearms from another individual with no paperwork. I've got at least two like that myself. 'Course I live in Texas, where the only restrictions on purchase and possession are the federal ones.

27 posted on 03/05/2006 10:16:56 AM PST by El Gato
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To: THEUPMAN
The really scary part of this whole affair is .... there were soldiers who acted to take citizens arms.

That's not clear to me. I've seen no documented cases of federal military or even National Guard, troops actually confiscating firearms. Nor directly supporting police when they did so. Could have happened, but I've not seen any unambiguous reports of it. If it did, there should also be some court martial actions for violation of the oath to support and defend the Constitution, issuance of illegal orders, and obeying illegal orders.

28 posted on 03/05/2006 10:21:44 AM PST by El Gato
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To: chemicalman
One caller on the radio said he was visited by Calif.HP officers accompanied with a La. state trooper. He said he wasn't evacuating, and that he had plenty of food and water. The asked him if he was armed, and he said he had a rifle. The officers subdued him to the floor and took his rifle. No arrest. Just taken away his protection from possible looters. The caller said he never got his rifle back.

Hmm, sounds very much like the incident that many saw here as a video clip. Except in that case it was a little old lady, and the gun was a revolver. Same CHP and LA trooper though. So either the caller was transfering the incident to himself, or the "team" was very busy.

29 posted on 03/05/2006 10:24:24 AM PST by El Gato
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To: chemicalman

It is just another way for the "progressive leftists" Democratically run State of Louisiana to impose their rules not laws on the people of NO and the rest of the state.


30 posted on 03/05/2006 10:27:36 AM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: oldfart
It may seem wrong in many respects, but the only gun you can buy and be reasonably certain it won't be traced is a stolen one.

In the case of the paperless guns I have, the seller did not know me, nor did he take my name. I did buy one other pistol that way, but sold it to my father in law. It's still in his gun safe AFAIK, although it did get lots of use those first few years after he bought it.

31 posted on 03/05/2006 10:29:53 AM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
There was a mention on the radio show about the old lady. It was either the guy from the NRA or SAF that mentioned she has had surgury from the incident and still is recovering. It was a separate caller that had identical encounters with the cops.

One caller was supposedy a NOPD officer that called in screaming that they were being shot at and there was martial law, etc. He quickly hung up after his ranting and didn't give the talk show folks any time for reasoning.

I wish the radio station had a transcipt of the show. I looked all over their site and couldn't find any.

32 posted on 03/05/2006 11:13:41 AM PST by chemicalman (Many have skeletons in their closets. In New Orleans, we have skeletons in our attics.)
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To: Nat Turner; CPOSharky
Or even in a neighborhood that has a "homeowners association."

Please help me out with this one. What does a "homeowners association" have to do with gun ownership? I live out in the country so I am not familiar with "homeowners associations".

33 posted on 03/05/2006 11:31:26 AM PST by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)
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To: caryatid
Homeowners association are almost always run by busybodies who worry about your doghouse,age of your car,color of paint on your door,tv antenna,clothesline,loud music,flagploe,decorative bushes,when and how many lights are on,type of heating system,ad nauseam.

Such busybodies are sure to see your guns as a threat to their established dictatorship.

34 posted on 03/05/2006 12:03:11 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: oldfart

There was a family owned gun-store back home where grandpa had a bad habit of dozing off while doing the paperwork and dropping his cigarette into the files. I can recall 2 or 3 fires where most of the files where lost. Fortunately, their office was built from fire-rated materials and nothing except some old forms were lost.


35 posted on 03/05/2006 12:03:19 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib
Fortunately, their office was built from fire-rated materials and nothing except some old forms were lost.

Ordinary paper tends to degrade after awhile. I think nitrocellulose "paper" can be more stable, if it's kept in suitable conditions.

36 posted on 03/05/2006 1:44:38 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: hoosierham
Ah! The typical fiefdom that pops up when too many people have gathered together ...

Sometimes it is lonely out here in the boonies without neighbors ... but sometimes it is kind of nice, too.

37 posted on 03/05/2006 2:02:07 PM PST by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)
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