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History Swings Both Ways (Mark Steyn On Islamists Not Into The "Brokeback Mountain" Thing Alert)
Western Standard ^ | 02/27/06 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/05/2006 4:26:31 AM PST by goldstategop

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To: wayoverontheright
Yeah, but look at the other side of the coin. Here in Europe, gays are taking the lead in resisting the growing threat of Islamization. And understandably so: though their sexual instincts have gone awry, the self-preservation instinct is clearly intact. Well, good for them.

I applaud this. There is no more effective way to reach through to the liberal establishment. And I'd ten times rather have gays in public culture than Islamofascists at the helm. The former are mostly a nuisance; the latter, an existential enemy.

21 posted on 03/05/2006 6:25:35 AM PST by ProudNorseman
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To: goldstategop
The problem is Islamists beg to differ and they're homophobic.

This "Islamic homophobia" is just for show. I suggest some you acquire some re-education on their sexual customs.

About two thirds down the page, the author gets into sodomy. Here's a comment by a reader:

Among the Arabs, the Gulf Arabs are the worst of sodomites. They don't only sodomize, they get sodomized also... Not only Arab Muslims are sodomites, but many other Muslims, like in Malaysia and Indonesia are sodomites too. A Moroccan whom I met before told me the story of an Algerian friend of his who was accused falsely (after him) of theft and sent to jail for years because he refused to please the second-Imam in the toilet of a mosque . The Imam followed him to the toilet, touched his genital and asked him to sodomize him. When the guy refused then he accused him of theft and sent him to jail. I have heard of others whose genitals have been touched by other Muslims in mosques during the salat...

One of the reasons I became disgusted about Islam and left the mosque and began to attend Church instead, it was because a Muslim Indonesian man made a homosexual action to me while we were in the mosque. I rebuked him in front of everybody and immediately. Guess what happened the next day? The Imam brought me the police and accused me of breaking to his property, the mosque. He brought me to the police station but when the police didn't find any proves for his accusation, they asked me to sign a paper and promise not to go to his mosque again. Since that day I never went to that mosque. When I started telling the story to other Muslims, they ridiculed and teased me about it. That was the time when God started to open my eyes and to lead me to search for the truth.

Not what you thought, was it?
22 posted on 03/05/2006 6:43:06 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: son of caesar
I have clearly seen a change of color come over their faces when they speak of this. Some have told me that one reason they absolutely hate the USA is because they think the USA promotes gay culture.

Yes. It's ironic that lefties are convinced that Muslims hate us for "good" reasons (like capitalism). They don't realize how much of the hatred is due directly to the image Hollywood creates of America as teeming with immorality and decadence.

23 posted on 03/05/2006 6:45:48 AM PST by wizardoz
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To: ProudNorseman
And I'd ten times rather have gays in public culture than Islamofascists at the helm. The former are mostly a nuisance; the latter, an existential enemy.

Yes. Gays can be annoying with their constant pot-banging for attention, and the way they cross the street with that queenly, super-slow swish so as to hold up traffic for as long as possible (I live in L.A.) But minor annoyances are nothing compared to murderous thugs who want to enslave the world.

24 posted on 03/05/2006 6:52:32 AM PST by wizardoz
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To: son of caesar

I've been told by guys coming back from Afghanistan, Iraq and Kuwait that sodomy is very common in the ME.


25 posted on 03/05/2006 7:01:52 AM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: goldstategop
The problem with Islam is that it does not work -- literally

Islam prospered during its period of expansion and conquest -- when it had a steady stream of loot and slaves who knew how to run a civilization. When Islams expansion by conquest was halted, Islam went into decline.

It only arose again when a new source of unearned wealth was available to it -- oil. Then fundamentalist Islamic schools (madrassas) could be financed all over the Islamic Third World, yielding the latest crop of Jihadis

The Muslims of Europe are mostly unemployed and survive on welfare or through crime. Islam in Europe will go through its big crisis when those who work decide to stop supporting those who wont

26 posted on 03/05/2006 7:07:20 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: son of caesar
A few have told me that all gays in the middle east know they have to move to America, where gays are prized citizens.

Why would you listen to anything they have to say. They lie as a matter of principle and will tell you what you want to hear. Ask them about taqiyah. Don't waste your time in discussion.

27 posted on 03/05/2006 7:35:41 AM PST by Stentor
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To: Eagles6
From what I've heard, it's pretty usual for teenage boys to share each other's bed, and oftentimes they have sex. But is it homosexuality? Oh NOOOO, perish the thought. Apparently they aren't gay unless they have romantic feelings for each other.

Or something like that. The reasoning is to warped to make sense of.

28 posted on 03/05/2006 7:38:54 AM PST by ProudNorseman
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To: bill1952
The whole notion of homosexuality as a large feature of any living system makes about as much sense to me as cannibalism - They are both negative genetic traits and produce no offspring.

You do realize, don't you, that darwinists have concocted "scientific" explanations for why homosexuality is actually a beneficial human trait?

That's the beauty of darwinism. It is infinitely malleable in its ability to scientifically explain even the most preposterous and inexplicable things. And it does not confine itself to a consistent set of explanations either. Completely contradictory howlers of explanations are embraced with equal enthusiasm and zeal.

29 posted on 03/05/2006 7:40:15 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: goldstategop

Tides go out. In September, 1940, Fascism was at high tide in the world. Even two years later, that tide had not begun to recede. Within a year it had begun to go out. Two years later, it had gone out. living behind only puddles around the world. Of course, now it was succeeded by another tide of totalitariamism, that of Communism. Events turn things on a dime, and as the song says, " the future's not ours to see. " Progressivism" is a faith and a stupid one, one unable to understand how others can refuse to accept its vision.


30 posted on 03/05/2006 8:01:16 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: ProudNorseman

The saying over there is "men are for pleasure, women are for children".


31 posted on 03/05/2006 8:03:11 AM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

When I was young, it was understood that Muslim sexual morality was lower than ours. Libertines were chided for behaving" like Turks. " The sexual revolution, of course, changed all that. Now Muslims seem like Puritans.


32 posted on 03/05/2006 8:05:58 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: goldstategop; DirtyHarryY2K; DBeers

I don't know if you want yet another article about BBM, but it's Steyn at the same time.


33 posted on 03/05/2006 9:11:23 AM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Islam may be offended by Hollywood's movies (officially), but many Muslims individually probably are not.

My experience in the Muslim world indicates that while many Muslims participate in homosexual sodomy and bestiality, they know they're doing wrong, and they range from conflicted to agonized over it -- they're very touchy on the subject.

Because it's so universal -- one NGO doc told me the typical Afghan male has his first sexual experience, with a male relative, by age 12 -- nobody is going to prosecute it unless they do it in some very offensive public manner that requires the authorities to act.

I assume that these are not like Western happy-happy queer gays. They are more like prisoners who self-identify as straight even while they're doing one another.

Anyway, just one more specific sickness in the panoply of pathogens that is Islam.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

34 posted on 03/05/2006 9:44:03 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: son of caesar

Yea that's it, lets expel red blooded american's who are Gay and happen to be related to americans who are not gay to appease goat f*cking camel s*cking Arabs.


35 posted on 03/05/2006 9:46:48 AM PST by The Cuban
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To: goldstategop

Rarely see any rump rider honor killings.


36 posted on 03/05/2006 10:28:17 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: pallmallman

Your comments are in the category of "Hammer Meets Nail". Need the graphic.


37 posted on 03/05/2006 12:26:31 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: ProudNorseman

"And I'd ten times rather have gays in public culture than Islamofascists at the helm. The former are mostly a nuisance; the latter, an existential enemy."

If you do a FR search using the keywords "homosexual agenda", and spend some time reading, you'll realize that the goals of the homosexual activists are way beyond the mere nuisance category. If the Islamic Jihadis are destroyed, we'll still be destroyed by the radical homosexuals and their assistants. It's the enemy within and the enemy without. Of course, the "gay" agenda is fostered and supported by the leftist MSM and feminists and the "sex positive" crowd who want to turn kids into their victims. Are you aware of the small but vocal group of professional intelligentsia who insist that child/adult sex isn't necessarily harmful, but even beneficial?


38 posted on 03/05/2006 12:32:46 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Come on.


39 posted on 03/05/2006 12:34:19 PM PST by ProudNorseman
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To: wizardoz

Please note my comment above. The "gay" agenda is not a mere nuisance. Read up and realize what they really want - hatespeech, hatethought, and the control of our children.


40 posted on 03/05/2006 12:34:38 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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