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ERS altimeter survey shows growth of Greenland Ice Sheet interior
European Space Agency ^ | 4 November 2005 | EU

Posted on 03/03/2006 11:03:07 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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1 posted on 03/03/2006 11:03:10 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Bush's fault!!!


2 posted on 03/03/2006 11:04:10 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment...cut in half during the Clinton years....Nec Aspera Terrent!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

relocate the polar bears? Maybe just the Canadians.


3 posted on 03/03/2006 11:09:07 AM PST by Steamburg (Pretenders everywhere)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Its all suppose to be melting away!!!!!!!


4 posted on 03/03/2006 11:13:49 AM PST by Godzilla (Cartoons don't kill people, terrorists do.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

You never read about what catastrophe would befall us if the ocean levels DROP because too much water gets frozen in Greenland.

It would be hilarious if we found out that the entire interior of the greenland ice sheet was only 3 feet thick, with a huge empty space underneath because of melting from underground heat sources. I know we know that isn't true, I'm just saying it would be funng.


5 posted on 03/03/2006 11:21:04 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

What's AL Gore going to do now.....?

That's it...its over..the global warming is over..I called it first..now I have to write a book


6 posted on 03/03/2006 11:24:19 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: All
Large Images....more readable.....:

This animation of the Greenland results shows the boundaries (thick line) of the ice sheet and major ice divides (thin lines)

7 posted on 03/03/2006 11:40:59 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for posting.

Note this study uses actual measurements of changes in ice elevation instead of the bogus gravity study of Antarctica that was in the news recently.

Freepers who click on the links and look at the figures will see a couple of things not noted in the article. First, the rate of ice accumulation over the last ten years has been accelerating. In 2003 the average elevation of ice over the high parts of the ice cap increased 50 cm - a foot and a half. This is a tremendous amount of ice to add in one year. Second, the areas of ice loss are small in area compared to the areas of ice increase. They don't want to show the total volume of ice increase (an easy calculation) since it would disturb the world view of global warming Chicken Littles.

It seems scientists must have some aspect of their study support the global warming disaster scenario, even when their data clearly refutes it. Very sad.
8 posted on 03/03/2006 11:45:44 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: Godzilla
Apparently not:

Antarctic buffers sea level rise

The overall mass of the Antarctic may be decreasing because ice near the coasts is melting
HOWEVER

The ice sheet covering the interior of Antarctica is thickening, researchers report in the journal Science.

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Antarctic buffers sea level rise
Antarctica, BBC
The overall mass of the Antarctic may be decreasing because ice near the coasts is melting
The ice sheet covering the interior of Antarctica is thickening, researchers report in the journal Science.

This bulge, which was recorded by satellite, may temporarily buffer rising sea levels, they believe.

Antarctica's "weight gain" is due to extra snowfall, caused by rising temperatures, the US-UK team thinks.

However, the scientists worry the overall mass of the Antarctic may be decreasing because ice near the coasts is melting, possibly at a greater rate.

Understanding Antarctica

The Antarctic contains the bulk of our planet's ice, so understanding its growth or shrinkage is critical to predicting future sea level changes.

This is the only place that is absorbing mass rather than contributing to it
Curt Davis, University of Missouri
Scientists fear that if the planet's oceans swell significantly, there could be devastation on populated low-level islands and coastal regions.

Sea levels are currently rising at about 1.8mm per year, largely because ice sheets in polar regions are melting, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has said.

However, the panel also predicted that global warming would lead to an increase in snow fall over the Antarctic, because warmer air leads to more evaporation and precipitation.

Scientists from both sides of the Atlantic tested this theory by analysing the thickness of Antarctica's central ice sheets, using satellite radar altimetry measurements.

They discovered that East Antarctica thickened at an average rate of 1.8cm per year between 1992 and 2003.

The region, which covers 75% of Antarctica's total land area, holds 85% of the total ice volume.

"The East Antarctic ice sheet absorbed ocean mass in the form of snowfall so, as a result, it slowed sea level rise," Curt Davis, of the University of Missouri, US, told the BBC News website.

"It is a modest slowing, but it is somewhat surprising because all the other terrestrial ice masses are contributing to sea levels. This is the only one that is absorbing mass rather than contributing to it."

Although Greenland may also be experiencing increased precipitation, Professor Davis says, the result is not the same.

"In Greenland we are getting more snowfall but Greenland is a lot warmer," he explained. "So whenever you get an increase in temperature in Greenland, you also get increased melt."

Finite effect

Even though Antarctica is, at the moment, taking the edge off the effects of a warming global climate, we should not take too much comfort, say the researchers.

Snowfall over East Antarctica will not continue to increase indefinitely in a warming world but, conversely, ice melt will accelerate proportionately with every degree of rising temperature, swelling oceans further.

"The effect will only work for a finite period of time," Professor Davis said. "Eventually, the snow will start to melt."

Also, the overall mass of Antarctica may be decreasing, because coastal melt may be happening faster than internal ice sheet gain.

"Since sea levels are rising, that would be a reasonable assumption to make, although we don't know for sure," added Professor Davis.

The instruments used in this particular study were unable to monitor the coastal regions because they could not cope with the steep terrain.

However, the European Space Agency satellite CryoSat, due to be launched in the next year, should be up to the task, Professor Davis believes.

"CyroSat has some special processes that allow it to do a better job," he said. "Over the next few years we should get a more definitive answer."


9 posted on 03/03/2006 11:49:09 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: BigBobber; blam; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Marine_Uncle; onyx; Brad's Gramma; Mo1; ...
Right.....it's a matter of their funding!

The amount of crap being peddled by the Global Warming crowd is mindboogling.....

10 posted on 03/03/2006 11:53:01 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"Such models agree with the new observational results. However after that threshold is reached, potentially within the next hundred years, losses from melting would exceed accumulation from increases in snowfall – then the meltdown of the Greenland Ice Sheet would be on."

Here we go again, the most up-to-date data fails to support the melting theory so we stretch the time frame out another few decades to a hundred years, comfortably beyond any reader's likely long-term memory.


11 posted on 03/03/2006 11:54:34 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Forgot sarcasm tag :P


12 posted on 03/03/2006 11:56:53 AM PST by Godzilla (Cartoons don't kill people, terrorists do.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Using the above reasoning will allow one to defrost a freezer; turn off the cooling and the frost gradually melts away.

However, the atmosphere's power is the sun and we have no way to turn it off, turn it down, or turn it up.

After 11 years of study, the numbers show that no net loss is taking place, and one might think that a financially prudent thing to do would be to turn off the money spigot.


13 posted on 03/03/2006 12:03:48 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
One would expect this since more open Arctic water mean more evaporation and deposit as snow on the Greenland glacier.
14 posted on 03/03/2006 12:04:20 PM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Old Professer
Amen!
15 posted on 03/03/2006 12:27:35 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: All
More crap being dished out:

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Earthtimes.org
Antarctica Surveys Show Melting Ice Is Causing Rising Sea Levels
New York Times - 21 hours ago
Two new satellite surveys show that warming air and water are causing Antarctica to lose ice faster than can be replenished by interior snowfall and thus are contributing to rising global sea levels. The studies ...
Antarctic ice sheet is shrinking Financial Times
Scientists find Antarctic ice shrank significantly Reuters
Bloomberg - Washington Post - Times of Oman - Houston Chronicle - all 113 related »

16 posted on 03/03/2006 12:32:42 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Godzilla

See the links at post #16 for those stories,,,they have more....


17 posted on 03/03/2006 12:34:00 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: blam; NormsRevenge; SunkenCiv
Found what I was looking for on the article that blam posted the other day///......

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Not by Fire but by Ice
THE NEXT ICE AGE - NOW!

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What a bunch of double talk - 17 Feb 06 - Here’s yet another article 
screaming about how “global warming” is causing twice as much ice from the
Greenland ice cap to advance toward the sea than was flowing toward the sea 
five years ago. 

The article, entitled “Climate change: On the edge,” was written by Jim Hansen, the 
"scientist” (I think he's more politician than scientist) that Bush supposedly tried to gag. 

For years we've been told that receding glaciers are evidence of global warming. 
Now we’re being told that advancing glaciers are evidence of global warming.

What a bunch of double talk.

Advancing glaciers are NOT evidence of global warming, advancing glaciers are an 
indicator that we're headed into an ice age. Glaciers advance toward the sea because 
increased snowfall makes them heavier at the top and pushes them out at the sides. 

It's truly simple. Any geology 101 course will tell you that the concept of glacier 
mass balance suggests that a glacier is influenced by two processes: accumulation 
and ablation. If accumulation exceeds ablation the glacier surges forward. If ablation 
exceeds accumulation the glacier retreats.

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See Greenland Icecap Growing Thicker

See Hansen's complete article at: http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article345926.ece

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Climate change: On the edge

Greenland ice cap breaking up at twice the rate it was five years ago, says scientist Bush tried to gag

By Jim Hansen

Published: 17 February 2006

A satellite study of the Greenland ice cap shows that it is melting far faster than scientists had feared - twice as much ice is going into the sea as it was five years ago. The implications for rising sea levels - and climate change - could be dramatic.

Yet, a few weeks ago, when I - a Nasa climate scientist - tried to talk to the media about these issues following a lecture I had given calling for prompt reductions in the emission of greenhouse gases, the Nasa public affairs team - staffed by political appointees from the Bush administration - tried to stop me doing so. I was not happy with that, and I ignored the restrictions. The first line of Nasa's mission is to understand and protect the planet.


18 posted on 03/03/2006 12:44:58 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; BigBobber
I posted this in a different thread, but it's relevant here: Zwally, H. Jay; Giovinetto, Mario B.; Li, Jun; Cornejo, Helen G.; Beckley, Matthew A.; Brenner, Anita C.; Saba, Jack L.; Yi, Donghui (2005), Mass changes of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets and shelves and contributions to sea-level rise: 1992-2002. Journal of Glaciology, Volume 51, Number 175, December, pp. 509-527(19)

Abstract: Changes in ice mass are estimated from elevation changes derived from 10.5 years (Greenland) and 9 years (Antarctica) of satellite radar altimetry data from the European Remote-sensing Satellites ERS-1 and -2. For the first time, the dH/dt values are adjusted for changes in surface elevation resulting from temperature-driven variations in the rate of firn compaction. The Greenland ice sheet is thinning at the margins (+42 +/- 2 Gt a-1 below the equilibrium-line altitude (ELA)) and growing inland (+53 +/- 2 Gt a-1 above the ELA) with a small overall mass gain (+11 +/- 3 Gt a-1; +0.03 mm a-1 SLE (sea-level equivalent)). The ice sheet in West Antarctica (WA) is losing mass (-47 +/- 4 Gt a-1) and the ice sheet in East Antarctica (EA) shows a small mass gain (+16 +/- 11 Gt a-1) for a combined net change of -31 +/- 12 Gt a-1 (+0.08 mm a-1 SLE). The contribution of the three ice sheets to sea level is +0.05 +/- 0.03 mm a-1. The Antarctic ice shelves show corresponding mass changes of -95 +/- 11 Gt a-1 in WA and +142 +/- 10 Gt a-1 in EA. Thinning at the margins of the Greenland ice sheet and growth at higher elevations is an expected response to increasing temperatures and precipitation in a warming climate. The marked thinnings in the Pine Island and Thwaites Glacier basins of WA and the Totten Glacier basin in EA are probably ice-dynamic responses to long-term climate change and perhaps past removal of their adjacent ice shelves. The ice growth in the southern Antarctic Peninsula and parts of EA may be due to increasing precipitation during the last century.

a-1 is per annum, i.e. per year.

19 posted on 03/03/2006 1:03:18 PM PST by cogitator
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"The amount of crap being peddled by the Global Warming crowd is mindboogling....."
What is mind boogling to me is how while big Al Gore was inventing the Internet at the same time he was obtaining his nourishment by chewing on tree bark. Quite a guy by any standards.
As you can imagine, the thicking of Greenland interior ice sheets will never be shown by the L/MSM. Agendas must be adheard to, America must be brought down.
Notice in one of your sub posts the mission assignment for NASA. It reads according to mr. Hansen:
The first line of Nasa's mission is to understand and protect the planet.

So there you have it. No more assigments to explore outerspace and piss money away. Now they go for the juggler vein.
20 posted on 03/03/2006 1:03:27 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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