Posted on 03/03/2006 8:19:18 AM PST by Ezekiel2517
Paragraphs are our friends.
War criminals are not.
--War criminals are not.--
Couldn't agree more, that's why Milosevic should get life in prison (since there is no death penalty, which he truly deserves).
Those like Gotovina who defeated war criminals like Milosevic deserve gratitude.
Gotovina is a war criminal and he should get the cell next to Milosevic. He should receive no gratitude from civilized men for the killings and mass forced displacements of the Krajina Serb civilians.
And the only way Slobo would have ever seen the gallows would have been to leave him in Serbia.
The only problem with your "logic" is that Gotovina neither killed anyone nor forced the displacement of Krajina Serb civilians. As Mr. Harris ably points out:
"The indictment mentions 150 Serb civilians as having died. These deaths were caused by Croat civilians bent on revenge, while Croatian police did nothing to help. That was, indeed, shameful. But it happened after the conclusion of the military campaign, not during it. . . .The indictment alleges that this was the whole purpose of the operation. But the exodus was ordered by the Serb leadership itself, for its own reasons. The text of the order from Milan Martic, so-called president of the SRK, was published some weeks later in the Belgrade journal Politika. It
was endorsed by the SRK military chief, General Mile Mrksic, an appointee of Milosevic. The military evacuation was designed to retrieve heavy armor to be used in Bosnia. But why the civilians? The answer makes complete sense in Balkan terms. It was to advance Belgrade's policies of ethnic cleansing and re-settlement of Serbs in eastern Bosnia and Kosovo, parts of a planned Greater Serbia. . . .The point has been made very clearly by Peter Galbraith, U.S. ambassador to Croatia at the time: "The fact is, the [Serb] population left before the Croatian army got there. You can't deport people who have already left."
Gotovina should be thanked for putting an end to Milosevic's reign of terror.
I quoted facts, child, and they are not in dispute.
Mr. Harris is a lying turd. Denying the murder of hundreds of Serbs and the criminal displacement of hundreds of thousands of them doesn't change the fact that it happened.
Gotovina's murderous actions didn't harm Milosevic in any way. Only a fool could believe or suggest such a thing.
Lock up the thug and throw away the key! LOL
You quoted nothing, and you apparently cannot read. Mr. Harris did not deny murders, only that Gotovina is responsible for them. And he did not deny "criminal displacement," he only put the blame squarely on the shoulders of those responsible: Mrksic, Martic and Milosevic.
You're inability to debate the facts is very apparent. You can throw labels at Gotovina as much as you wish, but you're inability to back up those lables with any facts only demonstrates that you are arguing from the position of a propagandist.
Sorry, but we've long ago establish that military commanders are responsible for the atrocities committed by those under their command.
The only propagandists here are you and Mr. Harris.
As for Gotovina, prison is a good place for him.
The United States welcomes the news that Ante Gotovina was arrested in the Canary Islands. We congratulate Croatian and Spanish authorities for their efforts that led to his arrest.With the arrest of Mr. Gotovina, Croatia has now taken a major step forward toward addressing the injustices of its recent past. With the success of its considerable efforts to locate and bring Gotovina to justice, Croatia significantly strengthens its candidacy for its eventual full Euro-Atlantic integration.
--Sorry, but we've long ago establish that military commanders are responsible for the atrocities committed by those under their command.--
As I suspected, your database of knowledge on these issues is extremely limited. Read the Blaskic appellate decision, gain some knowledge. Had you read up on the law you would not have made such an ill-informed (and thus revealing) statement.
Between 17 July 1995 and 15 November 1995, Ante GOTOVINA, acting individually and/or in concert with others, including President Franjo Tudjman, planned, instigated, ordered, committed or otherwise aided and abetted in the planning, preparation or execution of the crimes charged below in the course of, and after, the "Oluja" offensive. Ante GOTOVINA is individually responsible for the crimes alleged against him in this indictment pursuant to the provisions of Article 7(1) of the Statute of the Tribunal. Individual criminal responsibility includes planning, instigating, ordering, committing or otherwise aiding and abetting in the planning, preparation or execution of any crimes referred to in Articles 2 to 5 of the Statute.
And now you have made the complete circle in your circular argument. Robin Harris correctly cited facts to argue that the indictment of Gotovina is absurd. Rather than defend the indictment with facts, you are left with nothing but to cut and paste from the indictment. Your argument thus is, "The Indictment is not absurd because it says so in the Indictment."
Wow, that's weak.
That the crimes continued for three months afterwards proves the thug Gotovina's complicity.COUNTS 6 AND 7
(DEPORTATION AND FORCED DISPLACEMENT)
30. Between 5 August 1995 and 15 November 1995, Croatian forces committed numerous acts of killing, arson, looting, harassment, terror and threat of physical harm to person and property. By these acts, Croatian forces intimidated and coerced Krajina Serbs into leaving their villages, hamlets and homes. Ante GOTOVINA acting individually and/or in concert with others, including President Franjo Tudjman, planned, instigated, ordered, committed or otherwise aided and abetted in the planning, preparation or execution of the deportation and forced displacement of the Krajina Serb population.
31. These crimes continued on a large scale for at least three months after the area had been secured by the Croatian authorities, and included the unlawful killing of Krajina Serbs who did not flee; the burning and destruction of Serb villages and property including homes, outbuildings, barns and livestock, and the looting of property. The cumulative effect of these acts by Croatian forces led to the large-scale displacement of an estimated 150,000 - 200,000 Krajina Serbs to Bosnia Herzegovina and Serbia.
Your argument thus is "He only abetted in the murder of Serbs and that's OK". Wow, that's evil, weak, and stupid.
Pity you don't have IHOPPY and marky to come to your assist, eh?
Anyone else think that the war criminal Gotovina is no friend of the US?
Nope, Gotovina didn't aid and abet anything. You should put the blame squarely on the shoulders of those responsible: Mrskic, Martic and Milosevic. They ethnically cleansed the Serbs from Croatia.
Again, if all you can do is cut and paste from the indictment, there really is no point in debating you since you obviously know neither the facts or the law.
Because you and Harris say so? WRONG! On with the trial!
Your formatting of the initial article was so inept that I missed this laugh line buried within: "Since the breakup of Yugoslavia, the British Foreign Office has pursued a policy consistently favorable to Belgrade and hostile to Croatia and Bosnia." Good God, that would be funny if it weren't such a pathetic lie.
Fine, on with the trial.
But it is you who are defending the indictment, and you who are accusing Gotovina of being a war criminal, and you who are accusing him of abetting war crimes. One would have thought that you would have some facts to back this up. You obviously don't. You place your entire argument in the hands of Carla Del Ponte because you, quite obviously, have no idea whether there is any evidence to back up the indictment.
Robin Harris cited facts. Cited Martic's order for
Fine, on with the trial.
But it is you who are defending the indictment, and you who are accusing Gotovina of being a war criminal, and you who are accusing him of abetting war crimes. One would have thought that you would have some facts to back this up. You obviously don't. You place your entire argument in the hands of Carla Del Ponte because you, quite obviously, have no idea whether there is any evidence to back up the indictment.
Robin Harris cited facts. Cited Martic's order for evacuation. Cited Peter Galbraith's testimony. Cited the fact that crimes were committed after the military operation was over. These are undisputed.
"Since the breakup of Yugoslavia, the British Foreign Office has pursued a policy consistently favorable to Belgrade and hostile to Croatia and Bosnia." Good God, that would be funny if it weren't such a pathetic lie.
Really? Read Brendan Simms, "Unfinest Hour: Britain and the Destruction of Bosnia." It lays out over several hundred pages the secret diplomacy led by the UK between 1991-95 to aid and abet the Serbs and Milosevic. Again, the book cites facts and documents, and has not been refuted by the British Foreign Office itself.
My apologies for letting the facts stand in the way of your otherwise meritorious denial.
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