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Andrea Yates rejects 35-year plea deal
CNN via AP ^ | 2/27/06 | AP

Posted on 02/27/2006 12:12:47 PM PST by dmz

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To: dmz
very few of us would think our spouses capable of such an act.

An actively psychotic person is capable of anything. Maybe good old Rusty should've listened to the doctors who told him his wife should never ever have another child after her first psychotic break.

41 posted on 02/27/2006 1:09:36 PM PST by Mordacious
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To: dmz
She is crazy if she rejects this deal.

She's a lot of things, all bad, but she's not crazy!
42 posted on 02/27/2006 1:11:04 PM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: Ditter
There are a lot of crazy people out there and they don't kill their children. If she was so crazy she should have killed herself. But she didn't did she?
43 posted on 02/27/2006 1:11:43 PM PST by CaptainK
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To: dfwgator

A regular Catch-22.


44 posted on 02/27/2006 1:11:57 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Ditter

Wasn't one of the excuses for killing those poor kids, was that they were the embodiment of Satan or some such? Now if her perspective was that Rusty = Satan, therefore offspring of Rusty = seed of Satan, than that kind of rational is not as crazy at it first appears. The guy is a freak and as head of household, demonstrated what kind of home he presided over.

So, if she believed that the children were genetically handicapped, then she was thinking "logically" on that point. However, she forgot to look in the mirror, because it wasn't Rusty who drowned them. Where's old Sparky when you need him.


45 posted on 02/27/2006 1:12:04 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: CaptainK
He didn't force her to live that life. She chose to. She could have left in the middle of the night and the children would still be alive.

People who are stark raving loons aren't exactly known for making sound decisions.

46 posted on 02/27/2006 1:12:31 PM PST by Mordacious
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To: Ditter
Perfect!

Call a cab, that's the ticket! If crazy people were thinking straight they wouldn't be crazy would they?

47 posted on 02/27/2006 1:14:33 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: dmz

Catch 22. If you want to go to prison, you are crazy and can't be tried.

But if you don't want the plea deal, that indicates you are not crazy...


48 posted on 02/27/2006 1:15:40 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk (I am going to be assertive...If that is OK with you.)
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To: Ditter
He needs to be figured in the blame along with her ... He ... will (or has) remarry and start over again.

What about the fool who marries him? Will she be held accountable for enabling this man to potentially repeat the tragic circumstances of his former wife and late kids?

I think it's unwise to seek to spread accountability like this. That the man contributed to the creation of the tragedy is true, but the woman is who murdered the kids. I think it wiser for laws to hold people accountable for their own actions, rather than the actions of those close to them. He didn't drown any kids.

Another scenario: The wonderful teenage boy who committed suicide -- should his short-sighted, selfish, stupid single mother, who has his blood on her hands, be held legally accountable? Even though I may (and do) hold her morally responsible, I do not believe she should be held legally responsible. No one forced the boy to pull the trigger, even if some did create the environment that successfully tempted him to do so.

"Immoral" and "illegal" are two different things, and rightly.

49 posted on 02/27/2006 1:15:52 PM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Mordacious

She certainly has renewed vigor in these new legal battles. How does such a crazy loon regain her sanity so fast?


50 posted on 02/27/2006 1:16:37 PM PST by CaptainK
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To: Ditter

I have equal disgust for them. She must be insane,normal people could not live with themself after doing something so hideous and this woman has the guts to reject a bargain.


51 posted on 02/27/2006 1:17:14 PM PST by mel
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To: CaptainK

"There are a lot of crazy people out there and they don't kill their children. If she was so crazy she should have killed herself. But she didn't did she?"

She nearly succeeded serveral times in the past, though. And would have died, but for timely medical intervention --- we're not talking about "suicidal gestures" here.

She'd been involuntarily hospitalized as "a danger to herself and others" numerous times before; had a documented history of auditory and visual hallucinations; depression to the point of catatonic; was on a medicine cabinet full of prescription drugs. You name the type of crazy and she had it.

All that, and she was mixed up with this clearly demented preacher who told her that her kids would be lost to the Devil if she didn't act. (He was one of those tape-preachers that show up in devil costumes in Mardi Gras and speaks in a devil voice when preacheing. A real winner.)

If she's faking, then she's been faking for 20 years now.

Not a huge fan of insanity "defense" -- but she's definatley less culpable than, say, a murder for hire or murder for rape, etc.

Her husband was futher clearly negligent. Leaving her --- in a known deranged state --- would be like leaving a loaded gun in a crib. Any reasonable person would have known she was dangerous.


52 posted on 02/27/2006 1:19:14 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: CaptainK

How does such a crazy loon regain her sanity so fast?
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53 posted on 02/27/2006 1:20:12 PM PST by dmz
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To: CaptainK

She said God told her to kill her children so they would be safe and you don't think that is crazy?

Maybe some of you out there think that because I say the woman was crazy and her husband should share in the guilt that I think she is innocent. Not so, at all. She is guilty. Texas law says (I think) you can be found 'innocent by reason of insanity'. I wish they would change the law so you could be found 'guilty and insane'. Then she could be locked up for ever.


54 posted on 02/27/2006 1:20:40 PM PST by Ditter
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To: CaptainK

"How does such a crazy loon regain her sanity so fast?"

She's apparently pretty stable when on her meds.

She was trying to get pregnant again and went off the meds.


55 posted on 02/27/2006 1:21:37 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: dmz

I hope this gets published widely, so that all jurors will know that she rejected a plea agreement. It will make it easier to sentence her to death. On the other hand, they will probably feel sorry for her being so stupid, and insist that she serve only miminum time, after all, she is sad now.


56 posted on 02/27/2006 1:22:31 PM PST by jeremiah (The biggest threat to Americas survival today, meth usage.)
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To: lovecraft
she doesn't leave home without it There must be a conspiracy out there, mine doesn't either. Not only that, but she usually insists that I bring her along whenever I am going out to night spots, to give me the benefit also.
57 posted on 02/27/2006 1:25:16 PM PST by jeremiah (The biggest threat to Americas survival today, meth usage.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
When her meds were balancing her out and the first whiff of sanity hit her she should have run, knowing that she was a danger to her children.

She methodically killed 5 children. It was a long and arduous process. They were begging for their lives, running and hiding from her.

I am amazed at all the people defending her. I can't imagine a man getting this type of sympathy, no matter the circumstances, pressures that he was under, or medication he was taking.

58 posted on 02/27/2006 1:28:33 PM PST by CaptainK
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To: theDentist; beaversmom; dmz
They did seek the death penalty the first time but the jury picked life, which in Texas at the time meant eligible for parole after 40 years.

I'm not 100% sure but I believe they can seek the death penalty again if they so choose and like others have mentioned, they still have the murders of two children that she has never been tried for. This way they can try her for those two if she gets off on the other three.

59 posted on 02/27/2006 1:32:36 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Pat Buchanan lost a family member in the holocaust. The man fell out of a guard tower.)
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To: Finny

Morally responsible not legally responsible is what I meant.


60 posted on 02/27/2006 1:33:56 PM PST by Ditter
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