Posted on 02/27/2006 3:56:55 AM PST by PatrickHenry
I've walked the walk (homeschooled kids). Have you?
There is nothing the slightest bit leftist about wanting to have other peoples' kids share my American values.
In an earlier thread I mentioned to you that I was still looking for a voucher type system that would work in practice. You never responded.
You may think it's somehow left-wing to be concerned about Islamist isolates, but I think you show signs of being a one-trick-pony seminar poster since your solution to everything is to eliminate "government" (read publically funded) schools. And then to name-call or ignore anyone who questions your solution.
And I will continue to evaluate the situation as new evidence comes to light. I'm a scientist, after all.
Well I glad to hear you say that because the people of Dover Pennsylvania got screwed by crooked politicians and they successfully sued. What's your beef?
Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual)"
Ayn Rand
I have explained my objections fully.
When I mentioned the prohibition against teaching about communism in CA in the 60's on another thread, someone posted to me with chapter and verse that it is still against the law in CA. I am not responsible for teaching you what you do not know. If you need to verify what I say, look it up, as you are the one who is lacking knowledge in this area.
You did not say "teaching," you said "mention."
Your statement. You back it up.
It is child abuse to force immature children into an environment were their most deeply held traditions ( with religious consequences) will be undermined by the teachers and the other students.
Don't ever let your kids leave your house, watch TV, listen to radio, or use the Internet. If you do, they will be almost certainly be exposed to an 'environment where their most deeply held traditions (may) be undermined'.
I am a practical person, not an ideologue. Elimination of public schools is not a realistic or practical option. And eliminating from public schools ALL that ANY parent does not want their child exposed to is impossible. I am open to a voucher system if a workable one could be devised.
In any event, it is the parents' responsibility to offset anything that is taught in public schools that they disagree with, along with any thing on TV, in popular music, in movies, on the Internet, etc.
And BTW, I agree with your characterization of many public schools as 'indoctrination centers' where political philosophy is concerned. Breaking the teachers union, which I am for, might help mitigate this problem.
I don't know what "fully" means to Clairsolt...but it does not seem to include completeness or clarity.
If this has something to do with why God is or isn't outside the scope of science, you certainly haven't made it clear how.
As for ID, it's bad theology dressed up to appear like science.
In the USSR, they had a constitution, but they ignored it. Here, the Dover board ignored the US Constitution and tried to illegally teach religion as science. Back in the USSR, indeed.
Just so you know who you're stealing it from
Then I thank you. Nice work.
It is child abuse to force immature children into an environment were their most deeply held traditions ( with religious consequences) will be undermined by the teachers and the other students.
If your religious convictions can be undermined by the merest mention of scientific facts, or by the presence of people who don't share them, then they aren't worth very much, are they?
My faith is somewhat stronger than that. My son's will be, too. We don't need to fear information.
If your religious convictions can be undermined by the merest mention of scientific facts, or by the presence of people who don't share them, then they aren't worth very much, are they?
My faith is somewhat stronger than that. My son's will be, too. We don't need to fear information.
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Personally, "highball", I support evolution.
However,,,,unlike you,,,,I am not advocating the threat of armed police, court, and foster care action to FORCE it on other people's children.,,,,Nor,,,am I willing to use the threat of sheriff's auction of another citizen's home or business to fund it.
By the way,,,,there are real bullets in those guns on the hip.
My homeschooled kids were in college by the ages of 13, 12, and 13. This is hardly sheltered.
However....unlike YOU,,,I am not about to use the threat of armed police, court, and foster care action to FORCE my educational philosophy on other people's children.
That is what government schools are! The biggest political bully gets to control the government school agenda AND have at their disposal armed Polk, courts, and foster care workers to FORCE it on resistant parents and children.
I am a practical person, not an ideologue.
What I believe you are is a liberal who is posing as a fake conservative. I just love it when liberals say, "I voted for Bush,,,BUT,,," or in your case "I homeschooled,,,BUT,, can't see any way to implement choice in schooling".
Elimination of public schools is not a realistic or practical option. And eliminating from public schools ALL that ANY parent does not want their child exposed to is impossible. I am open to a voucher system if a workable one could be devised.
To All: Does the above sound like a liberal in conservative disguise?
In any event, it is the parents' responsibility to offset anything that is taught in public schools that they disagree with, along with any thing on TV, in popular music, in movies, on the Internet, etc.
A true conservative would NEVER state that is OK for the government to undermine a child's culture and religious beliefs so long as the parents undo the damage at home.
And BTW, I agree with your characterization of many public schools as 'indoctrination centers' where political philosophy is concerned. Breaking the teachers union, which I am for, might help mitigate this problem.
Yeah right! ( sarcasm)
When I was a girl, there was a common expression that went, "don't make a federal case out of it." In my mind, there are more important values which have been violated. Anyway, not every breach of law (this I think was a constitutional interpretation) is redressed in court. It is a matter of judgement, and those who have kept pestering me about this are, I think, some kind of irrational zealots who brush aside the larger considerations in favor of forcing their ideas on everyone else. I guess there has been a passionate fight about evolution in the classroom for almost 100 years, so maybe it is somewhat understandable. But this is just one more nail in the coffin of public education, something I liked pretty well. I doubt that there will be any public schools by 2100. Will you celebrate?
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