Posted on 02/22/2006 7:01:15 PM PST by gobucks
The creationists never complain about such. They don't even complain about the perjury at the Dover Trial. (The money, the drugs, the books.)
I just put people who use such terms as being equivalent to Howard Cosell.
Why don't you use the full title of his book:
ON THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES BY MEANS OF NATURAL SELECTION,
OR THE
PRESERVATION OF FAVOURED RACES IN THE STRUGGLE FOR LIFE.
You forget that Darwin himself was a racist and that his book has been used by many to justify racism against blacks and other groups because they were 'less evolved' than others.
Thanks for that information on Hiram Caton...I know that some have tried to float the idea that HIV does not cause AIDS...did not realize that this guy was one of them...
Thanks for the corresponding link...will have to read that and see what his explanations for that belief are...
Oh yeah, we're the nuts. You're in the camp that says life comes from non-life. Yup we observe that all the time. Yup we see punctuated equilibrium of new species from old species all the time. Why my dog just gave birth to something totally different than a dog yesterday! Yup, we don't jump to conclusions based on bad assumptions. Yup we don't have a recorded history of scientific fraud to back our viewpoints - Piltdown man, Lucy, where the great 'pillar's of evolution and geology created the greatest hoaxes that so many others built careers defending, only to find out it was all a lie.
No you're really standing on firm ground there buddy.
Regarding your post #38....its long been known, that there is a small percentage of those who have been found to be HIV+, never get full blown AIDS...but as far as I know, that percentage is a very low number...and its hardly mostly high profile types...there was a TV special on some channel or another a while back, exploring this very thing, and the folks in the group who were HIV+ for years and had never gotten full blown AIDS, were just regular folks, no big money, no fame, no fortune, no such thing...they were just everyday folks, who for one reason or another, never got sick with AIDS...
Regarding your post #40...first, see my post #106...I am not aware of Magic Johnsons medical regime, but on this TV special that I note in my post, it seems to me, that they do mention that these folks were not taking any kind of cocktail....I could be wrong or remember this in error, and really dont know how to check this out....
This may seem like a stupid question, but could this be similar to an experience I had...when I began working in nursing homes, I had to be given a TB test...I came up positive...but I never had TB...before I could get my job, I had to have my lungs X-Rayed by a doctor, to make sure that I had no active TB, which, thankfully I did not...
The doctor explained, that this positive TB test that I had experienced, showed that I was exposed to TB, my immune system took care of it, I never got active TB, but a TB tests shows that I have antibodies for TB in my blood...
Another example, when my younger boy got chicken pox, just about every single kid in his class also got chicken pox...they were all exposed to chicken pox, and got the disease...however, one little boy, who lived just a few doors down from us, never did sick...and his mom said he never had had chicken pox previously...for some reason, he was immune to chicken pox...but I would bet, that if he had a blood test, he would show antibodies to chicken pox...
So is it not just possible, that even with HIV, some people may be exposed, and for whatever reason, they just form antibodies, yet never have the full blown disease...
Thanks for an answer in advance...
Let's not forget one of the most recent examples of EVO fraud - from February 19, 2005:
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
It's a doozie! It will take eons to correct all those textbooks. :)
Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.
I also forgot Nebraska man (the evo-guy who 'found' him built a whole man off one tooth) - later found out to be a pig's tooth.
There are two significant questions about all this:
1) Are there people who have HIV who never get AIDS?
2) Are there people who have AIDS but don't have HIV?
This guy is a professor of Molecular and Cell Biology at the University of California, Berkeley. He has been researching AIDS and HIV.
http://www.duesberg.com/index.html
I don't know what the answer is but there is some interesting contrary evidence to the current thinking.
A percentage of people are either immune to or able to fight off any disease, including HIV. It's rather bad medicine to use these people to demonstrate the cause or cure of the disease.
Paralytic polio was almost unknown in India at the time it was terrorizing the U.S. It wasn't because the didn't have the virus in India or because the virus doesn't cause the disease. It was because the entire population was continuously exposed to it. Everyone had antibodies.
It's amusing to note that the dunderheads who don't understand this are complaining about who gets references for medical school.
Thanks both for your input...its really quite interesting...
Need to read more about this...
"It was because the entire population was continuously exposed to it. Everyone had antibodies. "
Those people have antibodies to the disease. That's not the situation that we are talking about here.
"It's amusing to note that the dunderheads who don't understand this are complaining about who gets references for medical school."
You guys are always so good at calling people names. Too bad you don't spend that energy doing a little reading instead.
BTW, I didn't say anything about references to medical school. But it's amusing to read posts by people who haven't a clue because all they know about the subject is what certain hard-core evos on FR think about it. Sycophantic loyalty is not very impressive.
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