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"An Oversight Hearing on Trade Policy and the U.S. Automobile Industry"
AmericanEconomicAlert.org ^ | February 17, 2006 | John R. Walker

Posted on 02/22/2006 8:44:22 AM PST by Willie Green

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1 posted on 02/22/2006 8:44:25 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: AAABEST; afraidfortherepublic; A. Pole; arete; beaver fever; billbears; Digger; ...

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2 posted on 02/22/2006 8:45:55 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

Oh, Willie.

Don't you know by now that the boogeyman in all trade and manufacturing is the unions? Of course, union manufacturing membership (at less than 12% at this time) is responsible for even non-union shops closing and moving to cheaper countries.

With the news I recieved this week, it looks like more closings will be occurring. But then again, greedy Americans deserve to lose their jobs, don't they?

Or so our resident free-booters would have you believe.


3 posted on 02/22/2006 8:50:52 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...
Increasingly, U.S. automotive companies – both the assemblers, like GM and Ford, and the top-tier suppliers, like Delphi – are demanding the world price for parts, and that means the "China price." So even if imports don't actually come in from China, the mere threat of them keeps my margins falling steeply. As a result, I have much less capital to invest in new equipment and new technologies, and keep ahead of my competition through quality and innovation.

Cheap labor inhibits technological progress. Maybe this is the key reason why China was stagnant for so many centuries?

4 posted on 02/22/2006 9:15:30 AM PST by A. Pole (Hush Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: A. Pole

This has been long over due.


5 posted on 02/22/2006 9:21:27 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: Willie Green

When labor is commodified, capital will inevitably seek the lowest-cost labor in the market. In a global market, that means China or India.

I see no political solution to this problem. Erecting a tarriff barrier to raise US prices of foreign-made goods will work for a while, but in time we would be forced to eliminate them to avoid a trade war. Union activity to raise US wages will simply make U.S. producers less competitive than they are already and drive consumers to cheap-labor foreign manufacturers.

The only solutions I can see are these:

1. The decommodification of labor on a global scale (=end of capitalist economy);
2. Autarky, i.e. laws requiring the US to be self-sufficient in a variety of manufactures and resources (= rationing)
3. Nationalization of certain industries on the basis of national security, such as aerospace, critical minerals, airlines/air cargo, ports and terminals, steel, energy, etc. (= big government bureaucracies)
4. Taxpayer subsidization of US manufacturers (= high taxes and price supports).

Short of these solutions -- which are admittedly drastic -- US manufacturers will eventually be forced by market pressures to move their industry offshore or they will go bankrupt. The "free market" solution is the only other option , i.e. the elimination of all wage laws in the US, allowing US labor prices to drop to the natural global level (the "China price"), which would destroy the consumer economy of the United States, and probably the country as well.

If anyone has any other ideas on this subject, I'd love to hear them.


6 posted on 02/22/2006 10:10:46 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Willie Green

The new technology, astounding new energy sources, will require innovation in the vehicle industry, which in turn may be exported. America could become the vehicle manufacturing world leader again if they do this right.


7 posted on 02/22/2006 10:12:49 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: OpusatFR

You know, I find it funny that it is considered greedy if you want to keep a good paying job in the country (even though I despise the unions of the past decade or so), but it is not considered greedy to let the jobs go out of the country to allow the goods to become cheaper and more profitable for the corporations/stockholders.


8 posted on 02/22/2006 10:30:56 AM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: Willie Green

bump for later


9 posted on 02/22/2006 10:36:14 AM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: OpusatFR
...greedy Americans deserve to lose their jobs, don't they?

Well, one thing is certain, US Americans have no "right" to a job. Ask any Free Traitor. Blackbird.

10 posted on 02/22/2006 10:40:02 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Diapers, like Politicians, need regular changing for the same reason!)
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To: BlackbirdSST
Who says Americans have a "right" to a job? I'm drawing a blank . . . help me out. John Kerry? Harry Reid?
11 posted on 02/22/2006 10:58:13 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: B-Chan

A few things to think about,

1) If you can give a reason to buy domestic goods (better quality, etc.), then wouldn't that make a trade war a moot point?
2) If you have the tarriffs, wouldn't that give more incentive for the foriegn companies to open a plant domestically?
3) Unions can be side stepped, open plants in states that have right to work laws (such as in the south).
4) Give incentive to companies to hire US citizens, to try to reduce the number of Visa & illegal works.
5) Give incentive to companies to hire US graduates in engineering, other jobs that there is not enough workers to fill the jobs.

Now your solutions

1) Would never happen due to the lobbyists and campaign $ that buys the elected officials.
2) I firmly believe that the US should be self-suffiecient, but I don't think rationing is a way to go unless absolutely needed. I think there should be incentives, reduced governmental burden, maybe tax breaks to keep businesses and jobs in the US.
3) Nationalization is not a good idea, you not only make government larger but you increase the likelyhood of reduced efficiency and increased cost. Also you are setting up a system similar to a socialism/communism.
4) I would consider tax breaks, reductions, delays, etc. but nothing that would subsidize a business. Taxpayers should not have to bear the brunt more than once (corporate taxes built into prices).


12 posted on 02/22/2006 10:59:07 AM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: RightWhale
The new technology, astounding new energy sources, will require innovation in the vehicle industry, which in turn may be exported. America could become the vehicle manufacturing world leader again if they do this right.

Well you are partly right, the technology will be exported (IF it is developed here). America will not be manufacturing them though, they will be imported just like everything else.

13 posted on 02/22/2006 11:03:07 AM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: looscnnn

Yeah, just daydreaming. What could be isn't necessarily what will be.


14 posted on 02/22/2006 11:05:25 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: looscnnn
they will be imported just like everything else.

U.S. Exports of Autos and Auto Parts in 2004: approx. $90 billion.

15 posted on 02/22/2006 11:11:56 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Who says Americans have a "right" to a job? I'm drawing a blank . . . help me out. John Kerry? Harry Reid?

Thanks for proving my point rude one! Blackbird.

16 posted on 02/22/2006 11:15:58 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Diapers, like Politicians, need regular changing for the same reason!)
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To: BlackbirdSST

You don't have a right to a job. Deal.


17 posted on 02/22/2006 11:19:05 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Willie Green
Currency manipulation by China and other countries is also greatly increasing the pricing pressure on U.S.-owned vehicle and parts makers. USBIC and many other careful students of China believe that China's currency is undervalued by at least 40 percent. So U.S. companies competing with China anywhere in the world face a 40 percent price disadvantage from the start, and for reasons that have nothing to do with free trade or free markets. And I don't understand why neither President Bush nor the Congress will do anything about this unfair competitive advantage.

Me neither, damned if I know.

18 posted on 02/22/2006 11:22:38 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

He who holds the bucks makes the rules.

So far, Japan has the most fiat-bucks, England and China, then the Caribbean countries. What you say? Caribbean?

Yes, Mon. And I say and I say the Carib...

Yup. And to think you can't offshore your bucks without lots of investigation but Uncle Buck can.



19 posted on 02/22/2006 11:51:22 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: 1rudeboy
My comment was based on the future point at which we invent The new technology, astounding new energy sources, will require innovation in the vehicle industrythe astounding technology, not the present or past. By the time that we come up with the technologies that were being suggested, almost everything will be imported. Where did you get that number? What is the number for imports?
20 posted on 02/22/2006 12:42:01 PM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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