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Jonah Goldberg: Even conservatives want a strong, healthy Democratic Party
NH Union Leader ^ | 02/21/06 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 02/21/2006 9:47:12 AM PST by raccoonradio

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To: raccoonradio
It's DEMOCRAT Party....NOT DEMOCRATIC..!!!

AGGGGHHHHHHH...makes me crazy.....

RANT OFF!!

21 posted on 02/21/2006 10:26:22 AM PST by Osage Orange (Symbolism before Substance........the DemoSocialistMarxistLeftistLyingLibs New Testament)
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To: dfwgator

The point is well illustrated in the Port brouhaha going on. It's a weird feeling to be watching TV and agreeing with Chuck Schumer.


22 posted on 02/21/2006 10:28:44 AM PST by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: Barney Gumble

The problem with the leftward shift in the Rat Party is that as a result, the GOP has gotten watered down by moderates who really should be Democrats, but the party is too looney for them.


23 posted on 02/21/2006 10:30:24 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: raccoonradio

24 posted on 02/21/2006 10:38:45 AM PST by zeugma (This post made with the 'Xinha Here!' Firefox plugin.)
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To: Peach

Forty years too late!


25 posted on 02/21/2006 10:45:58 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Clintonfatigued

That's a good point. As a conservative first, it's not good for one party to have a monopoly on all conservative principles. It makes that party lazy and less likely to pander to conservatives (I mean "pander" in a good way.)


26 posted on 02/21/2006 10:54:30 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: raccoonradio

Having a viable Democratic Party is important in a two-party system; we need a good opposition party to keep us focused. However, the Democrats seem dead set on committing political suicide.


27 posted on 02/21/2006 11:19:17 AM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: raccoonradio
Because when the Democrats move left, so do the Republicans.

That is unfortunately not what really happens. In truth the political establishment has been moving steadily leftward for decades under the influence of the mass medias, and not just in this country but throughout the West. The only Republican President of the last 50 years who has been even vaguely conservative was Reagan, and even he didn't do squat domestically.

28 posted on 02/21/2006 11:19:19 AM PST by jordan8
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To: Jaysun
This is a pipe dream. The Democrats aren't going to stop killing babies, applauding perversion, discouraging personal responsibility, or hating America. These are the tenets of their twisted faith.

You are confusing the Democrats with some of their moonbat supporters.

Political parties exist to win elections and exercise political power. If the voters change their views then the parties will also change.

For example, George Wallace was an outright racist for much of his career. When it became clear to him that racism was a political loser he famously apologized and said "I was wrong". He won his last election to Governor of Alabama with significant black support -- something that would have been unthinkable years before. That's becuase George Wallace was a politician, not a racist. He adopted racist views when it served him politically and dropped them when they didn't.

The Democrats -- what's left of them -- will eventually come around, especially after their "Old Guard" dies off. Meanwhile, notice how politicians like Shrillary and Carter's kid are still holding "pro-choice" positions, but are personally "anti-abortion" (their terms of course). That's because they know that abortion is not as popular as it used to be. That's due, IMHO, to the winning of hearts and minds on this issue, not legal proceedings or elections. Their ridiculous straddle won't work, but I suspect that the Democratic Party will soon not be so pro-abortion as they are now.

29 posted on 02/21/2006 1:20:34 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: raccoonradio
I want a pro-American second party. It can be for welfare state and liberal social policies, but it should not be Marxist or deconstructionist. Can we get such a party? Oh wait, we have that. It's called the "Republican" party.

The US system is set up for two parties. When one goes too far off the reservation, something happens. I hope what happens is that Dems gain their senses, and become the Joe Lieberman party, and stop being the Barbara Boxer party. If they do, they may pick off a lot of voters who are nominally GOP, and make a 2 party system safe for America again. Right now, it's not safe to vote Dem, they are led by the 20 percent of the country that is anti-American or post-American.

30 posted on 02/21/2006 1:25:08 PM PST by Defiant (DhUmmitude: A simultaneous fear of Bush spying and offending Islamic fanatics.)
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To: jordan8

You make a very good point, which is that the media propaganda machine, in cahoots with liberal political elites, work very hard to move the public views leftward. When they think the public is ready, they launch a new policy. They break down American society in stages--tearing down religion and culture and marriage, etc. We need a counter-reaction to take society back to policies that are better for society, that make us more cohesive, healthier and freer.


31 posted on 02/21/2006 1:34:26 PM PST by Defiant (DhUmmitude: A simultaneous fear of Bush spying and offending Islamic fanatics.)
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To: Dreagon

I agree, but please get rid of the liers, cheats, as*holes and drunks. Oh sh*t there may not be anyone left.


32 posted on 02/21/2006 3:28:44 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: You Dirty Rats
I agree with you. I was actually thinking about the great unwashed, the moonbat supporters themselves. I can't see these nonsensical nutjobs suddenly becoming rational. Their crazy ideas are consistently rejected yet they believe it's their delivery that's the problem.
33 posted on 02/21/2006 10:45:56 PM PST by Jaysun (The plain truth is that I am not a fair man, and don't want to hear both sides.)
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