Posted on 02/20/2006 10:58:43 AM PST by curiosity
Faith and Science Ping.
If evolution was baised on science, Then the believers of evolution have nothing to fear
Thanks for the ping!
This thread will be no different.
you better get your asbesthos suit on. All the atheist evolution worshiping libs are going to come out gunning for you.;)
So an ordained astrophysicist now knows who God is and isn't, and what God is and isn't capable of achieving?
Strange....
No one fears that evolution will be supplanted as a scientific theory. There is no controversy about it among real scientists.
What I (and other pro-science freepers) fear is that the teaching of ID, because it is pseudo-scientific garbage, will destroy science education in primary and secondary schools, making us lose our scientific edge, which in the long run will threaten our position as a world power.
As a conservative, I fear that the embrace by the right of ID pseudo-science will greatly damage the conservative movement politically. Indeed, it already has. Thankfully, GOP politicians, at least at the national level, seem to be fleeing this nonsense like rats a sinking ship.
As a Christian, I also fear that rejection of solid science like evolution by so many Christians will discredit Christianity educated peoples' eyes and greatly harm evangelization efforts.
Even if catering to individual religious groups doesn't pass constitutional muster, religion really needs to be better incorporated into Literature and History classes, minimum, simply for a better understanding of the object of study.
I've read many articles by Behe and Dembski. I think I know what it's all about. It's not that complicated. Let me state ID "theory" as I understand it, and you tell me where I'm wrong. Okay?
Some features of life are complex and have many parts, and all those parts are necessary for them to function. If you take away one part, it ceases to function. IDers argue that such a system cannot have evolved in a Darwinian manner, because Darwinian evolution requires the addition of one part at a time, which is impossible for a system that needs all parts to function. Hence such systems must have been designed, since that is the only way in which we, as humans observe such systems to have been formed.
Now there is a lot of poor logic in the above, but it is the ID argument as I see it. Do I have it right?
They're not. They're seeking the assistance of churches against the POLITICAL opposition of some bibilical literalists, who constitute a minority of Christians worldwide.
Other churches have these characters as well ~ not sure they really add anything to the evolution vs. panspermia debate.
"Unlikely allies," the article says. This is naive. Liberal clergy are among the easiest, and often among the most eager, of allies for liberal causes.
> If evolution is not a religion, and should be kept separate from religion, why do they seek the approval and assistance of the churches to disseminate their message?
For the same reason biologists and doctors would seek help from churches to disseminate information regarding, say, the germ theory of disease. Ignorance kills.
If you are truly teaching scientific method in science class then the presentation of ID/creationism will be recognized as unscientific quackery which is easily debunked in the application of scientific principles. Granted, my first "if" is rather significant, but science, which is attempting to find the truth, has nothing to fear from presentations of falsehood.
Evolution = "solid science?" As a biochemist myself, few atheistic evolutionists are nearly so confident in your statement of belief as you are -- you, who call yourself a Christian.
As a Christian do you also agree with the vatican "astrophysisist" that God did not design you? I suspect he calls himself a "Christian" too.
The Christian knows that death entered the world by one man's sin, even as Paul writes in the book of Romans. Do you, as Christian believe this?
The finger of God wrote in tablets of stone the Law known to us as the ten commandments. In the writing of that Law the finger of God wrote that "...in six days the Lord made heaven and earth the sea and all that in them is." This resides in direct opposition to premise of millions of years of an evolutionary path from molecules to man. As a Christian, who in your opinion is right -- the Cretaor who designed it all in the beginning or today's speculators who clearly were not?
Jesus Christ without exception endorsed the writings of Moses as true. Genesis is the first book containing the writings of Moses. Do you, as a Christian have a problem with Christ's affirmation of the writings of Moses?
Jesus Christ, speaking specifically in the context of man, declared that He who made them in the beginning made the male and female. As a Christian, please square the words of Jesus Christ -- the Creator Himself, with the "solid science" of evolution that you believe to be true.
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