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Boeing 747-8 vs A380: A titanic tussle
FlightInterational.com ^ | 14/02/06 | Staff

Posted on 02/15/2006 3:43:53 PM PST by Paleo Conservative

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To: Paleo Conservative
No matter what the critics say, airlines were begging Boeing to come up with a derivative of the 747 like the one we have now 10 years ago, except ? Boeing could not have pulled it off at that time because of the engines, but, now ? they have the GEnx engines that have given the 747 a new birth on life.
21 posted on 02/15/2006 4:47:06 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: CWOJackson
and the company building them eventually went under.

Lockheed is still in business. They did however, get out of the commercial market. The reason L-1011 production stopped is because Lockheed lost market share to McDonnell Douglas with the DC-10, Boeing with the 767 and Airbus with the A300.

Because of the high loss of life and media coverage orders for this new plane dried up over night, airlines already flying them sold them off and the company building them eventually went under.

Baloney. The Eastern crash in the Everglades occurred in December of 1972, nearly 11 years prior to the cessation of production in October of 1983. 229 aircraft were delivered post crash. Even though they built 252 Tristars they never recouped their development costs, loosing $2.5 billion on the project. Competition is what killed the L-1011.

22 posted on 02/15/2006 4:47:09 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

The L1011's were still used but mostly in the air freight market.


23 posted on 02/15/2006 4:48:33 PM PST by CWOJackson (Tancredo? Wasn't he the bounty hunter in Star Wars?)
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

Lot of them in cargo, just like the MD-80s, Dc-10s.


24 posted on 02/15/2006 4:52:04 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: KeyLargo
Bloomberg articles are not permitted. Here.
25 posted on 02/15/2006 4:52:15 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Paleo Conservative

How did they fix the landing gear problems?


26 posted on 02/15/2006 4:56:00 PM PST by e_castillo
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To: RayChuang88; Paleo Conservative
Those engines are straining! How about a vertical landing? LOL!


27 posted on 02/15/2006 6:12:51 PM PST by phantomworker (Restlessness and discontent are the first necessities of progress.)
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To: fhlh

Not more cash than the European union. Airbus is owned by a bunch of socialist countries.


28 posted on 02/15/2006 6:15:01 PM PST by phantomworker (Restlessness and discontent are the first necessities of progress.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I love your posts. Thank you for the pings.

They teach me something I know nothing about but care very much. Sometimes I have a hard time comparing the differences in the planes. Like, what is important and what is not.

All I know is, I will NOT fly on any of these large aircraft. It is getting insane. What next, an aircraft like a cruise ship with 4,000 people on it?

29 posted on 02/15/2006 7:37:28 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: AGreatPer

The next generation 747 shouldn't be an issue; it's built around a well established airframe.


30 posted on 02/15/2006 7:39:01 PM PST by CWOJackson (Tancredo? Wasn't he the bounty hunter in Star Wars?)
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To: Paleo Conservative
“The A380 is between 10% and 16% per seat heavier than the 747-8...The net result of these efficiencies is that the 747-8I’s operating costs are 22% lower than the A380’s per trip and 6% lower per seat, says Baseler [of Boeing].

As I recall, Boeing has an reputation of not exaggerating these types of comparisons. Does it seem to anyone else, however, that Airbus has been a little "cute" with the facts about such things as the final mass* of its A380-oppotamus?

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*I use the term "mass" as all aircraft weigh nothing at the point of takeoff.

31 posted on 02/15/2006 8:01:13 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: CWOJackson
I can't tell you how many times I have been happy with the 747's. Coming back from Monrovia to NY, we had to land in Boston with one engine. Wheeww. And Logan (Boston) is a short runway.

I found it funny how each airline gives the 747 its own personality. Pan Am was the best. Loved the Clippers.

South African Airlines was the second best, they trying to be propa like the English. Heathrow to Jo-Berg was always a hoot on SAA.

I am thinking the competition is good.

Retired, I hardly fly anymore. Such a shame. There is no greater experience in the world if you pay attention and don't go to sleep when there is daylight.

32 posted on 02/15/2006 8:06:10 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: AGreatPer

Pan Am will always remain my favorite. Juan Trippe was an amazing man. I never flew SAA but I've flown many, My favorite will remain "Red Tail" airlines though.


33 posted on 02/15/2006 8:09:06 PM PST by CWOJackson (Tancredo? Wasn't he the bounty hunter in Star Wars?)
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To: taxcontrol
It is my understanding that an airplane with wings below the fuselage is less stable than when the body of the plane is 'slung' below the wing.

Not an AE but as a former private pilot I can say it is really difficult to tell the difference in stability between a high wing and low wing plane, if both aircraft are the same type (e.g. trainer). Switching between the two, it was really not a factor you needed to be aware of except for the difference in visibility.

In the realm of R/C models, other factors, such as wing dihedral, make much more difference.

34 posted on 02/15/2006 8:15:52 PM PST by steve86 (@)
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To: CWOJackson
On the smaller eastern routs, Henson was the best.

They used to slow down on purpose around NY City and other cities to give you the full view.

Give me a window seat please.

35 posted on 02/15/2006 8:18:56 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: CWOJackson; AGreatPer; Central Scrutiniser; phantomworker; Clemenza; RayChuang88; COEXERJ145
AGreatPer Pan Am will always remain my favorite. Juan Trippe was an amazing man. I never flew SAA but I've flown many, My favorite will remain "Red Tail" airlines though.

I didn't find PanAm to be special at least not in economy. My favorite 747 was the Braniff 747-100 they flew to Hawaii. It had 9 abreast seating configured 2-4-3 in economy so it was very comfortable. They served 5 star restaurant quality meals in first class and their normal 727 first class meals in economy. They also had a an area in each cabin with club seating.

36 posted on 02/15/2006 8:22:43 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
My favorite 747 was the Braniff 747-100 they flew to Hawaii.

The giant flying pumpkin. LOL

37 posted on 02/15/2006 8:23:44 PM PST by COEXERJ145 ("I hope the Republicans suffer huge defeats in the House/Senate in 2006!"-xrp [Weekly Dumb Comment])
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To: AGreatPer
I almost forgot about this thread...thanks for the ping.

The Red Tail airlines I was referring to is the U.S. Coast Guard. I flew them in and out of different locations in the Aleutians and Pribilof's often.

I've had the pleasure of flying with a lot of small carriers but the one I enjoyed the most was Reeve's Aleutian. After his death his wife still worked at the counter in Anchorage. She often took passengers into the office for coffee and a chat. Their planes were mostly old, but well maintained and super friendly.

38 posted on 02/15/2006 8:25:21 PM PST by CWOJackson (Tancredo? Wasn't he the bounty hunter in Star Wars?)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Do you know who was responsible for causing the 747 to come into existence?


39 posted on 02/15/2006 8:26:10 PM PST by CWOJackson (Tancredo? Wasn't he the bounty hunter in Star Wars?)
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To: CWOJackson

Juan Trippe. Do you know what plane killed PanAm?


40 posted on 02/15/2006 8:27:24 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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