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Should we prosecute sedition? (Ben Shapiro says YES)
Townhall.com ^ | 2/15/06 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 02/15/2006 7:50:53 AM PST by blitzgig

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To: blitzgig
At some point, opposition must be considered disloyal.

An image of life in Ben Shapiro's Amerika.

61 posted on 02/15/2006 9:50:45 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: PISANO
I see NOTHING wrong with passing a law to make it a crime to spew provable LIES about our nation's C-in-C

You know perfectly well that if such a standard had been in place eight years ago, three-quarters of the members of FR would be in prison.

62 posted on 02/15/2006 9:53:37 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: steve-b

Well then maybe we should all stick to the truth ? What a concept.


63 posted on 02/15/2006 10:00:03 AM PST by farlander
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To: Austin Willard Wright
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64 posted on 02/15/2006 10:03:27 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Justanobody

A Constitutional Crisis. The Supreme Court couldn't get involved until after he was elected I suppose.

Hillary can't have a third term either (self-described co-president). Bill has already been elected. He can't have another term as co-president either.

More crisis.


65 posted on 02/15/2006 10:18:20 AM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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To: blitzgig
Already answered in another thread, but the answer is a resounding, NO! A man's conscience is inviolate. If your conscience is for or against any government action, it is your God given right to voice that conscience. Under no circumstances can any government squash dissent and still call itself a free country.

The very idea smacks of communism. What next? Political officers and political police who's job it is to ensure that the party line is adhered to and dissidents imprisoned, exiled, or killed? No thank you. We don't need American versions of Andre Sakharov. This very notion should be abhorent to any one believes in American values.

67 posted on 02/15/2006 11:38:02 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

None of the things you mention are seditious. Elected politicians and others saying (often overseas) that this is the wrong war, at the wrong place and time once troops are committed is deletirious to troop morale. Claims that we are there due to venal corruption in protecting buddies at Halliburton or in the oil industry are likewise deletirious. Saying we should pull out now because we can't win only encourages our enemies. Once we have committed American servicemen we should never badmouth the effort in public.


68 posted on 02/15/2006 11:53:33 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

None of the things you mention are seditious. Elected politicians and others saying (often overseas) that this is the wrong war, at the wrong place and time once troops are committed is deletirious to troop morale. Claims that we are there due to venal corruption in protecting buddies at Halliburton or in the oil industry are likewise deletirious. Saying we should pull out now because we can't win only encourages our enemies. Once we have committed American servicemen we should never badmouth the effort in public.


69 posted on 02/15/2006 11:54:33 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: Austin Willard Wright
"Exactly! I think back on some of the things that were said here about Clinton (and during wartime!(Kosovo). President Hilary would love to prosecute people on this site."

Well if we placed the USA in jeopardy, if we called for a politician to be stoned to death, if we gave away information on secret programs....etc then we SHOULD face prosecution.

The left will do or say anything to get back in power and the average citizen be damned. The former ruling class is pissed and very dangerous.

70 posted on 02/15/2006 11:59:02 AM PST by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: weegee
"Added benefit, traitors can't run for President."

One did and won twice. A stain upon the country and a dress.

71 posted on 02/15/2006 12:01:20 PM PST by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: Kerretarded

Clinton does the same thing as does Jimmy "useless" Carter. Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about it, and in fact, Gore would love that.

The man is definitely mentally ill. I don't know if it's manic depression or what, but he definitely has a "rip" up there.

Ignore him.


72 posted on 02/15/2006 12:39:27 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: Inwoodian
Once we have committed American servicemen we should never badmouth the effort in public.

I support our military efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq, but thinking back a couple of years, I was quite opposed to wasting American lives in Somalia, as well as our bombing of Kosovo.

Those military actions were a bad idea, had nothing to do with American security and wasted our military resources. Plus, I think Kosovo was partly motivated by Clinton's desire to try and cover up his homegrown scandals.

In your opinion, should I have been tried for sedition?

73 posted on 02/15/2006 12:52:50 PM PST by Potowmack ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: blitzgig
We've got Free Speech to respect here.

What about a sedition/treason law that provides for a heightened standard for politicians during war time (and expressly forbids accusing our government of wrong-doing while on foreign soil)?

Would it be a Constitutional Law? Certainly you can find a compelling governmental interest there. (Allowing the Commander in Chief to conduct warfare without risk of government-sponsored insurrection, ensuring that our enemies are not given aid and comfort by our own elected leaders, etc) It is narrowly-tailored, since it only applies to elected federal officials, and only during war time. It is clearly necessary to achieve the government interests. Thus it passes the Supreme Court's tests for limiting even the most protected Speech.

And it would be popular, because it's about freakin' time that a law limited the pols, and left us alone, instead of limiting us and leaving exceptions for our "masters" in DC.

74 posted on 02/15/2006 1:04:37 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: blitzgig
I very much doubt that FDR would have put up with the sort of activities Al Gore is now engaging in. We know FDR criticized and marginalized Lindbergh, and fired Joe Kennedy Sr. from his post in the UK, for the sort of seditious activity some of our frustrated Bush-hating pols are up to. We are at war for crying out loud.
75 posted on 02/18/2006 6:54:07 AM PST by veronica ("A person needs a sense of mission like the air he breathes...")
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Fallen Hero: Charles Lindbergh in the 1940s

..."All debate surrounding U.S. war policy came to an end on December 8, 1941, the day after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. The United States was now at war on two fronts: in Europe and in the Pacific. Despite having resigned his military commission in 1939, Lindbergh was eager to fight for his country. FDR wouldn't hear of it. "You can't have an officer leading men who thinks we're licked before we start...,"said the President....

76 posted on 02/18/2006 7:00:20 AM PST by veronica ("A person needs a sense of mission like the air he breathes...")
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