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Designed to deceive: Creation can't hold up to rigors of science
CONTRA COSTA TIMES ^ | 12 February 2006 | John Glennon

Posted on 02/12/2006 10:32:27 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: RightWingNilla; OrthodoxPresbyterian
It wasnt a joke.

Since it wasn't a joke, and it wasn't a comment about the discussion, then it wasn't much of anything.

Thanks for the clarification.

2,361 posted on 03/02/2006 10:58:11 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

So you have decided that brainless slander is an appropriate way for Christians to present their case? There's a lot of that going on this week. It demeans and diminishes your faith.


2,362 posted on 03/02/2006 10:58:27 AM PST by js1138
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Don't forget the $3Billion allocated for embryonic stem-cell research--promoted and planned because of a South Korean "scientist's" faudulent research. A fraud that came to prominence largely through the momentum gained from peer-reviewed "Science" Magazine.

It's still allocated! The taxpayers of CA are having to sue to try to keep it from being spent!

The rhetoric of the embryonic frauds are very similar to the cheesy bullying, anti-religious behavior we see here from the evos.

They need to go back to Honesty Class.

2,363 posted on 03/02/2006 11:04:33 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; OrthodoxPresbyterian; xzins; P-Marlowe
Yes, evolution is the centerpiece of all education in government schools. lol

How long since you've been around a public high school? Nearly every class is based on the assumption we are lost in a world of our own making.

In fact, teachers can be fired for even referring to God. But they're encouraged to assert evolution as fact.

Our son's public high school English class was told to read several books of the Bible. The assignment was "The Bible as Literature."

Every other sentence from the teacher was "The Bible is fiction, written as propaganda, regardless of all the pretty words used."

$11,000 per year per pupil to learn the religion of evolution.

2,364 posted on 03/02/2006 11:10:57 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; xzins; the_doc
Who cares? Evolution isn't atheistic. :)

Bollocks.

Evolutionism makes a Lie of the Explicit Statements of Jesus Christ regarding the Creation of the World. Jesus Christ claims in Mark 10:6 that God created Mankind as Male and Female "from the beginning of the creation".

You can believe in Jesus Christ, or you can believe in Evolutionism -- but considering that Jesus Christ claimed to be 100% Correct, one cannot believe in both.

And since Jesus is the One True God, Evolutionism is His Enemy.


So, yes... I suppose that an Evolutionist could still believe in some "Aristotelian First-Cause Demi-Urge" in order to get Life started (one would almost have to; Chemical Abiogenesis has been Scientifically Proven to be a Dead End; and even if it weren't, the odds of assembling a Self-Replicating Suite of left-handed proteins by mere chance are far beyond astronomical), and to keep Life going throughout the myriad of outright-miraculous biological advances needed in order to sustain the "evolution" of even one multi-cellular species in a trillion years; but if one is going to believe in the Real God of the Bible, then there is no space for detente.

One either believes in the Expressly-Creationistic claims of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, or one doesn't.

And if one does not believe in the Expressly-Creationistic claims of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, then one might as well be termed an "Atheist".

There's only One God, His name is Jesus, and if you deny His teaching on Creation -- then, yes, you're a "God-Denier"; and therefore, for all practical purposes, an Atheist.

Best, OP

2,366 posted on 03/02/2006 11:13:10 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (`We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty - Luke 17:10)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Yes, evolution is the centerpiece of all education in government schools. lol

Seriously. If I ever become so paranoid/crazy as to believe some of this stuff some day, please put me in an institution.

2,367 posted on 03/02/2006 11:13:26 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Yes, YES!,YES! Its the Atheist conspiracy! Do you HEAR ME?! The Vast Atheist Conspiracy!!!!! ATHEISTS are EVERYWHERE! They are hiding under your bed! They are lurking around the school playground teaching darwinism to our impressionable kids. Even the POPE is in on it!!!!

We cant let them take over! All morality will be destroyed!! Dogs and cats sleeping together!

Die you heathen-atheist-pagan-materialist-marxist-scientists!!!

2,368 posted on 03/02/2006 11:18:49 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
You can believe in Jesus Christ, or you can believe in Evolutionism -- but considering that Jesus Christ claimed to be 100% Correct, one cannot believe in both.

Evolution is the least of your problems my over-caffeinated friend.

You can't believe in a heliocentric solar system either.

You can't even believe in a sperical earth!

2,369 posted on 03/02/2006 11:25:22 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

" How long since you've been around a public high school?"

Never. I did learn about evolution from an excellent biology teacher, who was a nun, though.

"Nearly every class is based on the assumption we are lost in a world of our own making."

This has what to do with evolution, specifically?

"But they're encouraged to assert evolution as fact."

It is. The TOE is the explanation for this fact.

" Every other sentence from the teacher was "The Bible is fiction, written as propaganda, regardless of all the pretty words used."

$11,000 per year per pupil to learn the religion of evolution."

Evolution has nothing to say about whether there is or isn't a God.


2,370 posted on 03/02/2006 11:26:46 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
I did learn about evolution from an excellent biology teacher, who was a nun, though.

Obviously she was a godless atheist ;)

2,371 posted on 03/02/2006 11:28:09 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

"Evolutionism makes a Lie of the Explicit Statements of Jesus Christ regarding the Creation of the World. Jesus Christ claims in Mark 10:6 that God created Mankind as Male and Female "from the beginning of the creation"."

Even if that is true, Christianity is not the only theistic religion. Jews also don;t agree with Jesus Christ either; are they all atheists now too?

"And if one does not believe in the Expressly-Creationistic claims of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, then one might as well be termed an "Atheist"."

Well, that answers my question. You think Jews are atheists.


2,372 posted on 03/02/2006 11:29:05 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; Right Wing Professor; P-Marlowe
Surely you must agree that -- in order for a Voluntary, Non-Totalitarian Civil Society to exist -- Private Contracts MUST be Sacrosanct, and Breach-of-Contract MUST be Against the Law.

I don't. Contracts need to be, as they are, subject to the rules of the state. Unconscionable contracts must be voidable simply because not all contracts are entered into after arms-length negotiations. Breach of contract must be a serious issue, for which you must have a darn good reason.

2,373 posted on 03/02/2006 11:29:08 AM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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Knock off the personal attacks!

Okay, so...the Evolutionists can have a good ole' time accusing me of "mental instability" just because I happen to believe in Genesis, never mind the fact that they really are engaging in Personal Attacks (how many of them have dealt with genuine Psychosis? How many of them have cleaned up blood and vomit from their wife's latest suicide attempt? And yet the Evolutionists toss off accusations of "mental instability" like it's friggin' funny, and I should just take it in stride. Well, no, it's NOT funny.) Meanwhile, I get repimanded for calling for the abolition of their Tax-Supported Education Gulags.

Whatever.

2,374 posted on 03/02/2006 11:30:40 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (`We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty - Luke 17:10)
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To: jude24
I don't. Contracts need to be, as they are, subject to the rules of the state.

Actually, Contract is Antecedent and Predent to the State.

(Please advance a Theory of Governance which does not recognize the Theory of Contract as Antecedent).

Unconscionable contracts must be voidable simply because not all contracts are entered into after arms-length negotiations.

If you're referring to "youths", "incompetents", "invalids", and etc., you're arguing Hard Cases against Principle. Hard Cases make Bad Law.

Start at the Beginning. (Please advance a Theory of Governance which does not recognize the Theory of Contract as Antecedent)

Best, OP

2,375 posted on 03/02/2006 11:34:43 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (`We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty - Luke 17:10)
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To: jude24
Actually, Contract is Antecedent and Predent Precedent to the State

Mea Culpa; proceed from my correction.

2,376 posted on 03/02/2006 11:36:02 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (`We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty - Luke 17:10)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Well, that answers my question. You think Jews are atheists.

No; One of my favorite Theologians is (Messianic-Jewish Calvinist) Reverend Steve Schlissel.

Oh, you mean that I think that Christ-Rejecting Individual Persons who happen to be of Hebrew Ethnic Descent are functionally Atheist.

Well, yes, I believe that.

Last I checked, I had a First Amendment Right to my Beliefs.

Best, OP

2,377 posted on 03/02/2006 11:40:15 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (`We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty - Luke 17:10)
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To: RightWingNilla
You're making no sense at all.

Best, OP

2,378 posted on 03/02/2006 11:42:32 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (`We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty - Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"No; One of my favorite Theologians is (Messianic-Jewish Calvinist) Reverend Steve Schlissel.

Oh, you mean that I think that Christ-Rejecting Individual Persons who happen to be of Hebrew Ethnic Descent are functionally Atheist."

In other words, you believe that religious Jews (who reject Christ) are atheists. This is absurd. You are rewriting the definition of atheist to be any non-Christian. Sorry, the word already had a meaning.

"Last I checked, I had a First Amendment Right to my Beliefs.

Best, OP"

You have a first amendment right to make silly statements, that is correct.
2,379 posted on 03/02/2006 11:46:31 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
You're making no sense at all.

OK, Ill break it down for you slowly.

Do you believe the earth revolves around the sun?

2,380 posted on 03/02/2006 11:46:47 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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