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Puppeteers of violence
The Seattle Times ^ | 2/11/06 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 02/11/2006 6:30:21 AM PST by XR7

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1 posted on 02/11/2006 6:30:23 AM PST by XR7
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What an idiot. It wasn't President Bush that filibustered to make sure we did NOT get to develop our own oil sources in Alaska. The people who are preferring to "leave it to future generations" are losers like this author who rabidly oppose any short or intermediate solutions in their fantasy dream land notion that we can simply wish oil to go away NOW. Basic point about the Muzzies sane, rest of this article utter rabid stupidity.


2 posted on 02/11/2006 6:34:18 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Vote Democrat-We are the party of reactionary inertia".)
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To: XR7

It gets on my last nerve when these pundits fault President Bush for not doing something about oil dependence. Where is the support for drilling in places like Anwar? If we could find our own sources of oil it would break dependence.


3 posted on 02/11/2006 6:38:01 AM PST by WVNan
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"What an idiot. It wasn't President Bush that filibustered to make sure we did NOT get to develop our own oil sources in Alaska."
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The author only spoke to the lack of oil conservation measures in this country....and she is right. She did not address oil exploration or oppose it or blame Bush for the lack of it....

I believe we need both...conservation and exploration....in order to get out from under Arab oil.


4 posted on 02/11/2006 6:42:16 AM PST by fizziwig (Democrats: so far off the path, so incredibly vicious, so sadly pathetic.)
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To: XR7
Henceforth, Saudi princes may not come to the great medical centers of Berlin or Boston to have their cancer treated. The militant mullahs can't send their children to private schools in England. The men who cultivate anti-West paranoia among their impoverished masses may not own villas on the Côte d'Azur. And their wives may no longer shop on the Via Veneto.

It's a start. Keep them out of our schools, Vegas, Disney, cruise ships. They want outhouse countries? Let them stay there...

5 posted on 02/11/2006 6:43:49 AM PST by GOPJ (Iraq news-- http://www.michaelyon-online.com/)
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To: MNJohnnie

You really believe she's an idiot?
Re-read the article.
Our leaders are the idiots for letting this violence continue, placating the despots of the "Muslim World" and referring to this death-cult as a "Religion of Peace."


6 posted on 02/11/2006 6:48:06 AM PST by XR7
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To: XR7

This whole deal was enough for me. It's time to call for an end to this false religion. I think it needs to be eradicated in its entirety. Soon.


7 posted on 02/11/2006 6:57:17 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: XR7
"The puppet masters have big agendas. And for them, stirring anger against the West does have its uses."

Some of these puppet masters are right here in the U.S.

8 posted on 02/11/2006 6:59:14 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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author only spoke to the lack of oil conservation measures in this country

I am sorry but "Conservation" is simply another name for Big Govt. Socialism. What people like this author mean is to impose economic sacrifices on the people through the exigency of the Govt just so their elitist egos can pat themselves on the back for being "Enviormentalists"

Read what she wrote. Her solution is to push for more of the Jimmy Carter era failed "Enrollment" policies. The solution, opposed religiously by people like this author, is getting the Govt OUT OF THE WAY. We have MORE then enough energy sources. The PROBLEM is the extremism eviromentalism have so priced everything out of the market with their socialist legal and regulatory roadblocks foreign oil is the cheapest bang for the buck.

Arab oil is the biggest energy bang for the least buck. The solution is NOT some fantasy "conservation" plan but getting the Govt OUT of the way. We have MORE then enough coal, nuclear and shale oil sources HERE. We are addicted to cheap foreign oil because the senile old 60s Eviros are stuck on the stupid notion that they can simply wish oil away. So we do NOTHING to develop our own short and interim energy sources because the wacko empty headed environs think they can simply wish us to leap 50 years into the future by wishing oil away.

We did not become an oil based economy over night, we will not cease to be an oil based economy over night. That fact does NOT change no matter how many deranged fantasies about "oil conservation" the Socialist Left dreams up

9 posted on 02/11/2006 6:59:25 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Vote Democrat-We are the party of reactionary inertia".)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
"This whole deal was enough for me. It's time to call for an end to this false religion. I think it needs to be eradicated in its entirety. Soon."

Which religion are you referring to? Islam or Socialism? Can you say "agitprop?"

10 posted on 02/11/2006 7:04:38 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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No she is an idiot for thinking the solution is Big Govt imposed Socialist "Conservation" in the name of "Saving" us. As I said, her point about the muzzies are sane, her conclusions and solutions are stupid. You better believe this loser belongs to an "Anti-war" group too. She will use the Muzzies as an excuse to push her Utopian socialist wet dream energy plan but she will be one of the first people to show up to protest us KILLING terrorists.

Conservative really need to watch what they embrace. Just because you agree with her notions about the Muzzies DOES not make her on the same side as you for everything else. YOU better go re-read what she is selling her. This is just another establishment Enviro pushing for more of the failed Jimmy Carter era "conservation" nonsense. What they mean by "Conservation" is a massive expansion of the Govt to micromanage every aspect of YOUR life so THEY can feel good about THEIR Environmental purity. NO THANK YOU.

11 posted on 02/11/2006 7:06:12 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Vote Democrat-We are the party of reactionary inertia".)
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One of the Arab countries, probably Iran, is demanding the protestors switch their hatred and condemnation from Denmark to the US, so it looks as if caving to Islamofascism won't work for Uncle Sam. We're doomed.


12 posted on 02/11/2006 7:12:42 AM PST by hershey
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To: sageb1

The concept of socialism will always be around because it works so well in theory to young people. Only the benefit of life experience cleanses it from them. In most cases, anyway.


13 posted on 02/11/2006 7:14:21 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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I guess, to you, all those conservation measures...rationing etc..that were done during WW2 to facilitate the war effort were a bunch of nonsense too.

If our troops can sacrifice their lives for us...we can certainly sacrifice a bit over here to help the WOT. And getting out from under Arab oil is of prime importance in that effort.

Until we find that endless oil reserve you refer too...and I am definitely in favor of exploration...conservation is a good tool to meeting our goal.


14 posted on 02/11/2006 7:14:26 AM PST by fizziwig (Democrats: so far off the path, so incredibly vicious, so sadly pathetic.)
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To: XR7

"The American media's generally spineless response has been likewise embarrassing."

Is the American media really spineless? Oh, my. I'm shocked! There's goes my world view...


15 posted on 02/11/2006 7:48:14 AM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
"The concept of socialism will always be around because it works so well in theory to young people. Only the benefit of life experience cleanses it from them. In most cases, anyway."

Although I agree with part of your premise, I think you need to get out more. Global socialism is on the rise.

16 posted on 02/11/2006 8:21:18 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
The media is just lying about energy. In fact we have changed the power sector off oil in the last 30 years. The transportation sector is moving too. Ford and GM are completely changing their technology to hybrid, flex fuel, and hydrogen. See MSN for hydrogen truck delivered to Army at Ft Belvoir in keeping with policy that military will reduce oil 75%.

Ethanol plants are multiplying and stations will quadruple this year. Ford is notifying customers that thy are driving one of a million flex fuel cars already on the road. They are making fuel oil out of turkey plant refuse in MO and out of trash in Philadelphia. Cowshit is fueling ethanol plants in Texas and pigshit is used in Indiana. Both Governor Patwaki in NY and Bush in Fl have had business summits to promote ethanol. In FL a scientist developed an ecoli bacterium to digest citrus peel waste to make the stuff.

Obviously, GM and Ford have to retool to bring these vehicles to market, but necessary changes are relayed to us as bankrupcy, plant closing, and layoffs. Why is this whole thing being so badly ignored and miscovered? Certainly, it is the result of many years of public policy and private enterprise. Are liberals unhappy that this would come to pass on Bush's watch? They like to paint him as antienviornmentalist, though he is anything but. He led Texas power deregulation with targets for alternate sources that produced surpluses that compensated for failed CA policies. His own home is state of the art energy efficient.

Or, are they so tapped into government command economics that they cannot see free enterprise responses when they are springing up everywhere?

17 posted on 02/11/2006 8:25:08 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
The media is just lying about energy. In fact we have changed the power sector off oil in the last 30 years. The transportation sector is moving too. Ford and GG are completely changing their technology to hybrid, flex fuel, and hydrogen. Ethanol plants are multiplying and stations will quadruple this year. Ford is notifying customers that thy are driving one of a million flex fuel cars already on the road. They are making fuel oil out of turkey plant refuse in MO and out of trash in Philadelphia. Cowshit is fueling ethanol plants in Texas and pigshit is used in Indiana. Both Governor Patwaki in NY and Bush in Fl have had business summits to promote ethanol. In FL a scientist developed an ecoli bacterium to digest citrus peel waste to make the stuff.

Obviously, GM and Ford have to retool to bring these vehicles to market, but necessary changes are relayed to us as bankrupcy, plant closing, and layoffs. Why is this whole thing being so badly ignored and miscovered? Certainly, it is the result of many years of public policy and private enterprise. Are liberals unhappy that this would come to pass on Bush's watch? They like to paint him as antienviornmentalist, though he is anything but. He led Texas power deregulation with targets for alternate sources that produced surpluses that compensated for failed CA policies. His own home is state of the art energy efficient. Four or five corps have pooled investment to build a clean coal plant that sequesters CO2 in the ground. Although everyone rags him about a Kyoto treaty the senate refused to ratify, he has negoiated a Pacific initiative to sell clean power technology to China and India that will be lucrative.

Or, are they so tapped into government command economics that they cannot see free enterprise responses when they are springing up everywhere?

18 posted on 02/11/2006 8:29:14 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: MNJohnnie

"I am sorry but "Conservation" is simply another name for Big Govt. Socialism. "

Huh? Conservation was born from conservatism. Don't equate conservation with ecoterrorism and socialism.


19 posted on 02/11/2006 8:33:37 AM PST by Kirkwood ("When the s*** hits the fan, there is enough for everyone.")
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To: somemoreequalthanothers

"This whole deal was enough for me. It's time to call for an end to this false religion. I think it needs to be eradicated in its entirety. Soon."


I recall the uproar a couple of years ago when Pat Robertson called Muslim a violent religion. I, too, thought he was totally out of line at the time. But now, two years hence,I don't think so.




20 posted on 02/11/2006 8:35:29 AM PST by AlphaOneAlpha
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