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Posted on 02/09/2006 2:23:29 AM PST by RWR8189
>>I´d do the best to behave like a good guest.
That is because you have class and tact. The same can't be said for everyone (either on FR, in England or in Germany).
I hope our USA boys do well over there. I plan to watch as many WC games as I can. For Korea/Japan, I had to go home, sleep, get up at 11PM and watch the games till I went to work the next morning. :D That was fun.
I see, but then again, killing 6 million innocent lives is a bit different than wearing *shudder* inappropriate beachwear. The Sun has (and I appreciate that) exaggerated the penalties. Yes, one or two years imprisonment are possible, but, as you may know, our "justice" system is very liberal. For a first-time Nazi salute in public you may get a warning by the police if you´re a foreigner (because you possibly didn´t know the law) and as a German 500 € or so fine. I think the Nuremberg police has well reasons to behave deterrent, considering the image of British hooligans. We don´t want disruptors, and we don´t want the public peace disturbed. "Come here and behave, so that everybody can enjoy the party" is the message. I mean, even though you are allowed to do the Nazi salute in the US in public, you don´t do it - same with flag-burning. We don´t insult other nations, and we shouldn´t make fun about crimes of today or the past.
LOL, same for me with the Atlanta Olypmics, but I was a student at HS then and we had summer break.
The US soccer team has improved, and when we kicked you out in the quarter finals last time, it wasn´t a landslide victory for us. I think the quarters are possible for the US this time, too.
Ich denke, dass es im schlechten Geschmack ist, um Nazistische Grüße öffentlich durchzuführen. Während ich jemanden in privat verspotten kann, indem ich einen Nazistischen Gruß anrufe, würde ich es öffentlich nie tun. Aber ich finde auch, dass es erschreckend jemanden darum anhält, es zu tun. Hoffentlich eines Tages Ihr Land wird sich oben erheben das ist vorbei und im Stande sein, Redefreiheit zu dulden.
Werner von Klemperer and the gentleman that played Sergeant Schultz in Hogan's Heroes were both Jews.
And the guy that played the Frenchman was actually in a concentration camp.
Yet they could laugh at it. How about Germans getting a sense of humor (and understanding what FREEdom is...)
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>>when we kicked you out in the quarter finals last time, it wasn´t a landslide victory for us.
Nope it sure wasn't. I recall Kahn bailed out his defense on one shot--forget by whom (Donovan maybe), just remember the his hand coming out of nowhwere as I was getting ready to scream "Gooooooaaaaal". :(
Ah well, at least France didn't win it that year.
Soccer thugs. There seem to be many in Britain and Ireland. Get drunk and start trouble. The rioting has killed many over the years.
I'm with you, find the troublemakers and put them in jail. Do anything to keep them from attending the games. And keep them off of the streets too.
When Pearl Harbor was attacked and the U.S. delcared war on all the Axis powers, Churchill responded with, "Thank God. We are saved".
Who are you talking about? That isn't done to our citizens unless it is a matter of national security such as the shoe bomber. Or are you referring to the terrorists captured in Afghanistan? In those cases we are talking about terrorists plotting to kill hundreds, maybe thousands of people. So to equate treatment of a shoe bomber or a terrorist with someone making a hand gesture at a sporting event shows that you are way over your head in logically discussing this subject.
France won it in 98 and then bombed in 02, not winning a match or even scoring a goal. Worst performance by a defending champ ever.
The person you are talking about lives in Germany and American law wasn't being discussed.
I am aware of where he lives. His post I was responding to was as follows:
"So you say it´s totalitarian to punish people who enjoy insulting victims of the Nazi regime? Would you say that it´s also totalitarian to arrest people without a court order and keep them in prison without even giving them the choice to inform their relatives, a lawyer or a hearing before a judge for months? Ok, then we both live in countries with totalitarian governments."
Oops, you are right. I jumped the gun, sorry.
I think the other guys whole point is that some people are just trying to stir up trouble. Maybe I missed his point too. I've been known to do that.
My post was referring to a line in a very funny Fawlty Towers episode. If you don't find the Nazis suitable subjects for humor, take it up with John Cleese, Mel Brooks, the cast of Hogan's Heros, whatever.
I'll make you a deal - I won't comment on your laws if you don't make me watch soccer.
" They are also worried racist Brits will attack black Trinidad and Tobago fans."
What? Err, yeah we have no black people in Britain. This is the sentance that makes least sense, England v Trinidad and Tobago is one of the least likely candidates for trouble in the competition.
German police should spend more time worrying about the Germany v Poland fixture...
sofa king called my country totalitarian because we enforce our - well-reasoned - laws with usual practices (like arrest, court hearing, lawyer assistance, conviction, and imprisonment/fine). I think that it´s not up to you to call Germany totalitarian, unless you want to be called like that, too.
Dann sind wir uns ja einig, dass Nazi-Grüße Ausdruck schlechten Geschmacks sind. Umso mehr, wenn man es in dem Land tut, von die Schreckensherrschaft der Nazis ausging. Wir tolerieren Redefreiheit, aber die eigenen Rechte können nur so weit gehen, wie sie die Rechte anderer nicht verletzen. Und die Ehre der Toten, der Opfer, sind hier anerkanntes Schutzgut. Jeder darf seine Meinung sagen, jeder kann sagen, dass er dieses Land, die Regierung, Nachbarn, Juden, Christen, Moslems missachtet. Nur darf er dabei nicht deren Ehre angreifen. Genau das geschieht aber bei Beleidigungen, beim Nazi-Gruß, etc. So, genug geredet, ich glaube ich habe meine Position deutlich gemacht. Ein schönes Wochenende!
Hoagan´s Heroes is funny, and you can watch them in Germany, too (at least they were shown on TV). And we could laugh about it. But it was a POW-camp for west-front enemies. I think noone could have made a funny series about a KZ or a POW-camp for Russians (or a Soviet POW-camp for Germans).
And we were VICE-CHAMPION (the first loser)!! :-)
I don't envy your task, trying to show your best face all the while terrorists, soccer hooligans and GOD knows what else to expect.
Bad taste is world wide.
I am not a Nazi sympathizer, just a backer of individual liberties.
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