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Stone Age Tribe Kills Fishermen Who Strayed On To Island
The Telegraph (UK) ^
| 2-8-2006
| Peter Foster
Posted on 02/07/2006 5:58:05 PM PST by blam
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To: Joe 6-pack
And if he's a fat guy, 2 weeks!! :-)
To: JoeSixPack1
The two men were foolish. But they should not have been murdered. While I think these people certainly ought to be allowed to continue to live on their island without outside interference, no one on this earth has a right to murder. Their island or no. Breaking and entering into a home is NOT the same thing as landing on a beach. No one has a right to murder. No one.
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posted on
02/08/2006 10:31:45 AM PST
by
twigs
To: twigs
Breaking and entering into a home is NOT the same thing as landing on a beach.That is where we disagree and that is my specific point. It is their home and being an island, they decided they don't need doors.
To: twigs
Breaking and entering into a home is NOT the same thing as landing on a beach.
Actually, we're looking at this wrong. From the perspective of these islanders, they are their own nation. I suspect that very few of them could even tell you what "India" is, and none of them would claim to be ruled by it. They are a tribal society, and in their world no law is higher than their own, and the laws laid down by their gods (whatever they may be).
From that perspective, when people land on your shores they are more akin to an invading force. What's more, one person with a firearm is a SUPERIOR invading force, who will probably inflict major casualties before he is driven out or killed. These people very likely view themselves as an independent nation surrounded by hostile forces bent on invading them, destroying their society, and taking their land. A quick look at the tribes that formerly neighbored them (which they did have contact with at one time) simply confirms this perspective. Those tribes let their guard down, and were destroyed as a result.
Tribesmen don't know the difference between a fishermans outfit and a military uniform. During every major landing of outsiders on their island, their people have been killed. When salvagers landed on their island a decade ago, their people were cut down like sheep under the gunfire. You may not be happy with it, but it's quite understandable why they've adopted a "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. When a strange man on the beach reaches into his boat, there's no way for them to know if he's pulling out a fishing pole or a machine gun, but their history tells them that it will probably be a gun.
To: Arthalion
I DO understand it. But in the world today, it's simply unacceptable. There are limits. If you murder (and I do think these men were unwise at best), you lose your sovereignty. You DON'T murder other people, I don't care what your ethics or lack of them are. Or how old and uneducated a culture you are. I can understand why they are this way. But it can't stand. The families have a right to have those bodies back.
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posted on
02/08/2006 11:26:37 AM PST
by
twigs
To: Pontiac
Inherited genetic diseases and infertility will become more prominent Only if they have the particular bad genes.
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posted on
02/08/2006 3:04:07 PM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: LIConFem; MimirsWell
But then how did they survive for 60,000 years? By intermarrying with neighboring tribes.
But from the article it seems that neighboring tribes have been decimated by interaction with modern peoples.
The tribes numbers probably have been cut by last years tsunami as well.
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posted on
02/08/2006 4:17:41 PM PST
by
Pontiac
(Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
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posted on
02/08/2006 4:24:05 PM PST
by
Drew68
To: lepton; LIConFem; MimirsWell
Only if they have the particular bad genes. Everybody has a genetic weakness of some kind only they are not expressed.
Most genetic weakness goes unexpressed because a person has only received that bad gene from one parent.
When a person receives the bad gene from both parents the genetic disease is expressed.
Diseases such as hemophilia (Europes Royalty) and sickle cell anemia (African Americans) are such genetically transmitted disease.
These diseases become prominent when isolated populations of small numbers interbreed.
Europes royalty and African Americans havent died out because there numbers are in the thousands and millions respectively, but this tribes numbers are far too small to be sustained with out an influx of outside genes. A number I seem to recall reading is about 50,000 for a minimum sustainable breeding population.
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posted on
02/08/2006 4:37:05 PM PST
by
Pontiac
(Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
To: Squantos; ChefKeith; TheMom; cyborg; humblegunner; Dashing Dasher; Allegra
Post# 29, third photo from the top, guy on the right.
Proves Squantos has worked undercover!
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posted on
02/08/2006 5:01:22 PM PST
by
Eaker
(My Wife Rocks! - Islam is the cancer, the US Military and Militia is the answer!)
To: Eaker; Squantos; ChefKeith; TheMom; cyborg; humblegunner; Dashing Dasher; Allegra
Make that third from the last.
Long day.
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posted on
02/08/2006 5:06:05 PM PST
by
Eaker
(My Wife Rocks! - Islam is the cancer, the US Military and Militia is the answer!)
To: Pontiac
Everybody has a genetic weakness of some kind only they are not expressed. ...Or do not matter in the circumstances. Really harsh conditions have a way of filtering out genes that tend to leave one of ill health or debilitated. Having large families also leaves a lot of room for continued family lines with recessive issues. That said, the effects of inbreeding genetically, are quite overstated in the common understanding. Most of what genetic diversity gives a population is the ability to adapt to varying conditions.
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posted on
02/08/2006 5:11:05 PM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: lepton
That said, the effects of inbreeding genetically, are quite overstated in the common understanding. I agree individual cases of inbreeding do not pose any real danger (if you marry you cousin you do not have any real danger of birth defects unless the parents on both sides were also cousins).
That being said, inbreeding over many generations does pose a real danger, especially in small populations (think the banjo player in the movie Deliverance).
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posted on
02/08/2006 5:28:35 PM PST
by
Pontiac
(Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
To: blam
I was thinking of that too. I have seen photos of those tribes in Andaman and Nicobar Island and they do look like Capoids, which are San Bushmen and Hottentots.
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posted on
02/08/2006 5:29:12 PM PST
by
Ptarmigan
(Proud bunny hater and killer)
To: Flavius
wonder how they would react if we drew some cartoons about themI wonder how they would feel about 21st century weapons?
To: Arthalion
I think your thinking is right here. These people are essentially a sovereign nation, and their immigration policy seems quite strict. It seems best to let them be. It would be a different story if this was a random act of violence with no precedent, but those fishermen should have known better.
To: Flavius
They're museum specimens, like gaudy moths and exotic insects. Who cares what they believe. They live in a bell jar, courtesy of the modern world.
To: Squantos; Eaker; humblegunner; Allegra
While HG is under the bed making grunting noises and waving the spoon made from boar tusk...
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posted on
02/08/2006 5:48:14 PM PST
by
ChefKeith
(Flies,fleas,ants,ticks,cockroaches,bad cops,lawyers,judges & politicians All the same. Useless!!!)
To: SeeRushToldU_So
I'll bet they would love to own some.
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posted on
02/08/2006 5:49:58 PM PST
by
ChefKeith
(Flies,fleas,ants,ticks,cockroaches,bad cops,lawyers,judges & politicians All the same. Useless!!!)
To: Term of Office
The fact is that cannibalism is very rare, and never practiced by a society as a whole, only in extreme circumstances. I see you have been suitably brainwashed by the PC university perfessor brigade. Don't be discouraged. Welcome to FR. The realities of the world are now available to you through the benificence of benign, normal, intelligent human beings who will be patient with you.
Cannibalism has been a widely documented ritual in many cultures, and undoubtedly could be shown to exist today if we could get an honest read out of the ivory tower anthropology departments.
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