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Eden and Evolution
The Washington Post ^
| February 5, 2005
| Shankar Vedantam
Posted on 02/06/2006 5:02:42 PM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: PatrickHenry
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:03:30 PM PST
by
CobaltBlue
(Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
To: CobaltBlue; Junior
I donno. Lemme mull it over a bit.
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:13:47 PM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
To: CobaltBlue
a photograph of an exceptionally unattractive man sitting in his underwear on a couchShe said those photographs were for personal use only!
I feel more violated than Paris Hilton!
Well... maybe not that violated.
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:15:18 PM PST
by
Hoplite
To: ahayes
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:15:56 PM PST
by
ahayes
To: CobaltBlue; andysandmikesmom
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:16:40 PM PST
by
mlc9852
To: PatrickHenry
It's long -- from the WashPost Magazine. This type of long, deep thinkpiece is the type of thing the WashPost does best, IMO, they let the writer just stretch out and hit a lot of different points.
Not fare for Three Stooges type of slapstick.
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:20:11 PM PST
by
CobaltBlue
(Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
To: CobaltBlue; longshadow; CarolinaGuitarman; Thatcherite; Coyoteman; js1138; Junior; VadeRetro; ...
I just finished reading it. I still can't make up my mind. Guys, shall I ping the list?
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:24:20 PM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
===> Placemarker <===
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:25:44 PM PST
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: CobaltBlue
What unites these advocates is not religion but the belief that supernatural forces are active in everyday life. That's backwards from what I think. Supernatural forces are what is not acting. Religion, a set of beliefs that supernatural forces control reality, does act, often leading people to do bad things.
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:30:29 PM PST
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: PatrickHenry
I think it's an interesting, wide-ranging article. The real debate is not about science anyway, this article gets covers the actual battlefield far more than the usual scientific report, which will be filtered out by anti-evolutionists Reality-Distortion Shield anyway.
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:30:52 PM PST
by
MRMEAN
(Corruptisima republica plurimae leges. -- Tacitus)
To: PatrickHenry
Crocker said that subsequent research had shown that chemicals used in the [Miller-Urey]
experiment did not exist on Earth 4 billion years ago. "The experiment is irrelevant, but you still find it in your books," she said. This too is wrong.
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:34:47 PM PST
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: CobaltBlue
True enough, but the creationist standards are wheeled out by the brave heroine - argument from incredulity, straw moths etc. The power of denial is literally awesome - this girl has an advanced degree which presumably entails frequent visits to large libraries with shelf after shelf bearing books and journals that contain no evidence.
To: PatrickHenry; mlc9852
PH...I already got pinged by mlc9852, so I am here...need to read the whole article, its a long one, and dont know if I have time enough this evening or not...and will be busy all day tomorrow...but I look forward, hopefully, to some good discussion...or not...whatever...
To: CobaltBlue
Before the class, Crocker had told me that she was going to teach "the strengths and weaknesses of evolution." Afterward, I asked her whether she was going to discuss the evidence for evolution in another class. She said no. The gimmick here is she "sincerely" in her nutcase way thinks there aren't any strenghts of evolution. Still, she feels allowed to bait and switch the reporter who does not know up front what she intends.
They're allowed to lie as needed. The Lord understands.
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:46:08 PM PST
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: CobaltBlue
...Crocker, who wore a light brown sweater and slacks,...This is key to the entire story.........isn't it?
FMCDH(BITS)
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:46:53 PM PST
by
nothingnew
(I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
To: PatrickHenry
I'd ping this one. The WaPo needs an education.
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:51:17 PM PST
by
narby
(Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
To: CobaltBlue
When Lowe finally spoke, it seemed as if the lecture had lifted a load from her shoulders. "I believe in creationism, I believe in intelligent design," she declared to the class. Humans have souls, which make them different from other animals, she told me later. To believe in evolution meant that "after you are dead, you are done." The close association of her belief that evolution nullifies her God means that she has a hopeless conflict of interest on the science. There's no way she could be trusted to be open minded on the facts.
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posted on
02/06/2006 5:56:11 PM PST
by
narby
(Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
To: narby
There's no way she could be trusted to be open minded on the facts. I do shudder to think that she's teaching right down the street from me in Fairfax, VA -- admittedly Nova Community College is only a two-year college, but it's supposed to be pretty good as these things go.
My guess is she loses this job but gets a job teaching at a religious institution.
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posted on
02/06/2006 6:28:05 PM PST
by
CobaltBlue
(Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
To: CobaltBlue
Hopefully this won't violate any coyright rules, but I've selected two partial sentences to quote.
"Nazi Germany had taken Darwin's ideas..." [snip] "What happened in Germany in World War II was based on science,"
___________________________________
Would Ms. Crocker be as willing to link Hitler and the death camps to Christianity? I'd like to see her response to this:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm
(for the record, I think it's downright nonsense, if not deliberate deceit, to link Hitler's crimes to either Darwin or Christianity. )
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posted on
02/06/2006 6:28:53 PM PST
by
Ken H
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