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LIVE THREAD: SJC hearing on the NSA surveilance program - C-span 1; 9:30 am EST

Posted on 02/06/2006 6:08:53 AM PST by ken5050

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To: All

Thanks to all for the comments. I'm following along on the thread.

Can no longer stand to look at these buffoons on tv, or to even hear the sound of their voices at this point.


1,741 posted on 02/06/2006 12:30:07 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: conservativebabe
OMG! Never cease to amaze. What does he base that conclusion on?

He's reading it right out of the liberal handbook: "Thou shalt always oppose CORPORATE AMERICA!"

1,742 posted on 02/06/2006 12:30:13 PM PST by LisaFab
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To: Pirate21

I agree with you.


1,743 posted on 02/06/2006 12:30:16 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Cboldt

there is also another argument here, I am not sure where it fits at all - when you make an overseas phone call, once your voice leaves the confines of the united states on that wire - as far as I am concerned, its outside the control of US laws. this is also the basis for things like echelon, as many of these "wiretap" agreements have as their basis, agreements between the US and foreign carriers, who are not subject to US laws.


1,744 posted on 02/06/2006 12:30:26 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Txsleuth

They ought to be ashamed of themselves for wasting the AG time. He could be doing much more constructive things right now.


1,745 posted on 02/06/2006 12:30:31 PM PST by conservativebabe ("I came here to chew bubble gum and kick @ss, and I'm all out of bubble gum")
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I can't believe Gonzales is saying the FISA judges would leak. That is, if approval not granted, judge will leak (notify the targets that there was interest) - but if approval is granted, judge won't leak.


1,746 posted on 02/06/2006 12:31:16 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

The Constitution charges the President with the primary responsibility for protecting the safety of all Americans, and the Constitution gives the President the authority necessary to fulfill this solemn duty. See, e.g., The Prize Cases, 67 U.S. (2 Black) 635, 668 (1863).

It has long been recognized that the President’s constitutional powers include the authority to conduct warrantless surveillance aimed at detecting and preventing armed attacks on the United States. Presidents have repeatedly relied on their inherent power to gather foreign intelligence for reasons both diplomatic and military, and the federal courts have consistently upheld this longstanding practice. See In re Sealed Case, 310 F.3d 717, 742 (Foreign Intel. Surv. Ct. of Rev. 2002).


1,747 posted on 02/06/2006 12:31:40 PM PST by excludethis
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To: Mo1
They don't have the balls to try that Mo....nope.

Imagine them arguing they want to limit how a President can fight a war.

As I had they don't have the brass ones to back that suggestion up.

1,748 posted on 02/06/2006 12:32:18 PM PST by Dog
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To: Txsleuth
GREAT POINT....does anyone else just find this whole thing ludicrous at this stage in the war??

If you go to those on the Left....I don't think you will get agreement that there is a War going on....in their mind it is all about getting bin Laden....and that is all!

1,749 posted on 02/06/2006 12:32:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Revererdrv

You are mistaken. Specter is on the president's, the AG's, and our side today.


1,750 posted on 02/06/2006 12:32:36 PM PST by maica (We are fighting the War for the Free World. Democrats and the media are not on our side.)
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To: All

Grassley, wisely brings up "sleeper cells." And they aren't sleeping.


1,751 posted on 02/06/2006 12:32:51 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Txsleuth

Me!


1,752 posted on 02/06/2006 12:32:54 PM PST by Dog
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To: Cboldt
I heard Gonzales say that this NSA domestic to foreign calls surveillance was not claimed under the FISA law, not meant to override the FISA law.. but the President's authority claimed was by the authorization given by Congress to fight Al Queda.

I heard him say FISA has been used for purely domestic surveillance. He also claimed how cumbersome it can be.

1,753 posted on 02/06/2006 12:33:00 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: prairiebreeze
It's a shame that our fine military has to go to hell-hole parts of the world, put their lives on the line and fight for the likes of these sorry-a$$ed Democrats.

Most of them don't give a rats rear end what the Democrats say or do. This battle is a battle for the survival of civilization. If anyone is living in a bubble, it's the entire Democrat party.

The Democrats live under a lie that if we leave the terrorists alone, they'll leave us alone, forgetting that we didn't do anything to provoke the Khobar Towers bombing in 1996, WTC I in 1993, WTC II in 2001, and the USS Cole bombing in 2000.

Then again, unless the Democrats haven't been cozying up to the enemy and rubbing shoulders with them, filling their pockets with US money, they've have been demonstrating sympathy to terrorist organizations and their causes.

1,754 posted on 02/06/2006 12:33:24 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: Cboldt
That is, if approval not granted, judge will leak (notify the targets that there was interest) - but if approval is granted, judge won't leak.

That could be a legal requirement!!!!

1,755 posted on 02/06/2006 12:33:42 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Cboldt

Why is your account suspended?


1,756 posted on 02/06/2006 12:33:57 PM PST by northernlightsII
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To: sageb1
Grassley, wisely brings up "sleeper cells." And they aren't sleeping.

Which raises a question about the wisdom of limiting the warrantless surveillance to international calls.

1,757 posted on 02/06/2006 12:34:23 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Dog

they won't get it .. but after the things I've seen lately ... I wouldn't put it pass them to try


1,758 posted on 02/06/2006 12:34:32 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: MEG33
"He also claimed how cumbersome it can be."

Especially if any of the judges have treasonous friends.

1,759 posted on 02/06/2006 12:34:34 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: maica

“The substance of all the definitions of probable cause is a reasonable ground for belief of guilt.” Maryland v. Pringle, 540 U.S. 366, 371 (2003) (internal quotation marks omitted) (emphasis added).

The key question under the Fourth Amendment is not whether there was a warrant, but whether the search was reasonable.

Although the terrorist surveillance program may implicate substantial privacy interests, the Government’s interest in protecting our Nation is compelling. Because the need for the program is reevaluated every 45 days and because of the safeguards and oversight, the al Qaeda intercepts are reasonable.

This terrorist surveillance program involves intercepting the international communications of persons reasonably believed to be members or agents of al Qaeda or affiliated terrorist organizations.


1,760 posted on 02/06/2006 12:34:38 PM PST by excludethis
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