Posted on 02/06/2006 6:08:53 AM PST by ken5050
Thanks to all for the comments. I'm following along on the thread.
Can no longer stand to look at these buffoons on tv, or to even hear the sound of their voices at this point.
He's reading it right out of the liberal handbook: "Thou shalt always oppose CORPORATE AMERICA!"
I agree with you.
there is also another argument here, I am not sure where it fits at all - when you make an overseas phone call, once your voice leaves the confines of the united states on that wire - as far as I am concerned, its outside the control of US laws. this is also the basis for things like echelon, as many of these "wiretap" agreements have as their basis, agreements between the US and foreign carriers, who are not subject to US laws.
They ought to be ashamed of themselves for wasting the AG time. He could be doing much more constructive things right now.
I can't believe Gonzales is saying the FISA judges would leak. That is, if approval not granted, judge will leak (notify the targets that there was interest) - but if approval is granted, judge won't leak.
The Constitution charges the President with the primary responsibility for protecting the safety of all Americans, and the Constitution gives the President the authority necessary to fulfill this solemn duty. See, e.g., The Prize Cases, 67 U.S. (2 Black) 635, 668 (1863).
It has long been recognized that the President’s constitutional powers include the authority to conduct warrantless surveillance aimed at detecting and preventing armed attacks on the United States. Presidents have repeatedly relied on their inherent power to gather foreign intelligence for reasons both diplomatic and military, and the federal courts have consistently upheld this longstanding practice. See In re Sealed Case, 310 F.3d 717, 742 (Foreign Intel. Surv. Ct. of Rev. 2002).
Imagine them arguing they want to limit how a President can fight a war.
As I had they don't have the brass ones to back that suggestion up.
If you go to those on the Left....I don't think you will get agreement that there is a War going on....in their mind it is all about getting bin Laden....and that is all!
You are mistaken. Specter is on the president's, the AG's, and our side today.
Grassley, wisely brings up "sleeper cells." And they aren't sleeping.
Me!
I heard him say FISA has been used for purely domestic surveillance. He also claimed how cumbersome it can be.
Most of them don't give a rats rear end what the Democrats say or do. This battle is a battle for the survival of civilization. If anyone is living in a bubble, it's the entire Democrat party.
The Democrats live under a lie that if we leave the terrorists alone, they'll leave us alone, forgetting that we didn't do anything to provoke the Khobar Towers bombing in 1996, WTC I in 1993, WTC II in 2001, and the USS Cole bombing in 2000.
Then again, unless the Democrats haven't been cozying up to the enemy and rubbing shoulders with them, filling their pockets with US money, they've have been demonstrating sympathy to terrorist organizations and their causes.
That could be a legal requirement!!!!
Why is your account suspended?
Which raises a question about the wisdom of limiting the warrantless surveillance to international calls.
they won't get it .. but after the things I've seen lately ... I wouldn't put it pass them to try
Especially if any of the judges have treasonous friends.
“The substance of all the definitions of probable cause is a reasonable ground for belief of guilt.” Maryland v. Pringle, 540 U.S. 366, 371 (2003) (internal quotation marks omitted) (emphasis added).
The key question under the Fourth Amendment is not whether there was a warrant, but whether the search was reasonable.
Although the terrorist surveillance program may implicate substantial privacy interests, the Government’s interest in protecting our Nation is compelling. Because the need for the program is reevaluated every 45 days and because of the safeguards and oversight, the al Qaeda intercepts are reasonable.
This terrorist surveillance program involves intercepting the international communications of persons reasonably believed to be members or agents of al Qaeda or affiliated terrorist organizations.
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