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Bush urges US Congress to lift H-1B visa limit
PTI ^ | February 03, 2006 | Sridhar Krishnaswami

Posted on 02/04/2006 4:38:34 AM PST by Tyche

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To: 1rudeboy
People who work that hard enjoy it and don't want to retire.
61 posted on 02/04/2006 5:53:44 AM PST by JasonC
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To: A. Pole
Average wages are $16.41 an hour. Geniuses aren't flipping burgers. Get a grip.
62 posted on 02/04/2006 5:54:37 AM PST by JasonC
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To: conservativecorner

Very disappointing that the GOP is taking this route of immigrants legal and illegal and letting down Americans and all for votes. Libs have dead people voting and Republicans have illegals voting and this my dear friends is a new Country still called America.

The almighty V.O.T.E. shhh the secret is the GOP would have won without the help of illegals!!! IF they listened to their faithful base of voters like our family and your family who have voted R for generations. I am getting to old for this.


63 posted on 02/04/2006 5:54:46 AM PST by stopem
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To: 1rudeboy

My kids don't regret it either.

They were hardwired at birth, I think. In any event, I have a most interesting home since they decided to bring us into the 22nd Century.

Now, if I could just find out how to answer the phone, I'd be fine. I learned how to get out the front door last week.


64 posted on 02/04/2006 5:55:27 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: JasonC

Not all of them, but most.


65 posted on 02/04/2006 5:56:12 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

True enough.


66 posted on 02/04/2006 6:00:10 AM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Who is bashing America? I just don't like whiners, whether they pretend to be patriots or are simple communists.

A sqeaky wheel is a sqeaky wheel; you can ignore it, but you have no one to blame but yourself if it falls off as you are driving down the road.
67 posted on 02/04/2006 6:03:01 AM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Non-Sequitur

"Encourage students to major in science and engineering so that they can compete with an unlimited number of foreign imports willing to work for less. Good plan, Mr. President."

I was thinking the same thing.

He's turning into a chronic BS'er pretty quickly.

"Speaking with a forked tongue" comes to mind.


68 posted on 02/04/2006 6:05:39 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Tyche

Anything that draws us closer towards the anti-sovereign NWO and dilutes "American" is fine with the President.


69 posted on 02/04/2006 6:06:07 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: JasonC

The "unemployment rate" is people claiming UI benefits. They fall off of that in 6 months or so.


70 posted on 02/04/2006 6:07:29 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: TXBSAFH

Would Jorge Arbusto like to drop US taxes to the place they will compete with India taxes? .... I thought not


71 posted on 02/04/2006 6:10:25 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: OpusatFR

My kid was heading down the engineering path. He had the pre-req Calculus courses and the science courses under his belt, but decided to change majors...due to job outlook.

He spoke with several engineering profs, business professionals, read business and tech articles and then talked to the advisers at the School of Business at his University. There is a Business degree that requires Calculus, so he figured he'd be a leg up by enrolling in that major which includes some business, some management courses, and IT courses. He'll also complete that degree by the time he's 20 (he was early admission) and then can get his MBA.

He'll graduate with the Masters at about the same time he'd have had his engineering degree.

At first we were against it, but the more his dad and I thought about it the more we agreed. (His dad is an engineer who's moved into management and hires other engineers., and when a job is posted he can't believe the level of "overqualified" applicants who are willing to work below the pay level that they should be making with their credentials.)


72 posted on 02/04/2006 6:13:35 AM PST by dawn53
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To: stopem

"This is so unbelievable it just defies description. Americans going to college to get educated, their parents sacrificing to send them to college so when they get out they can have a bright future and earn a good income and our President insists he prefers NON-Americans! I am increasingly getting angrier about his love and support for non-Americans."

There is a serious disconnect with this President and the "people on the ground". He seems to only pay attention to big business and to hell with "working Americans". Why in Gods name would anyone encourage their sons / daughters to get a degree in Engineering or the sciences if he's going to flood the market with foreign workers?


His lack of interest in securing our borders reflects this same attituda. 80%+ Americans want a more secure border NOW. All he can do is offer up Chertoff the sock puppet to schmmooooze us back to sleep.

Conservatives have been waiting 30+ years to be in control of the House, Senate and Presidency...and now, to a large part, it's being squandered.

On a brighter note....he's been excellent with his S.C. appointments.


73 posted on 02/04/2006 6:13:44 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: OpusatFR
Thanks for that link. My son, who is a junior in college at the age of 18 is a math wiz. Yet he too has heard about the outsourcing of engineers and has decided to major in business. I have argued with him about that and really want him to major in engineering or maybe a double major in engineering and business. Thanks for the article it will help him understand that there are plenty of jobs out there.

If the high school degree required 4 years of math, 4 years of science like they require 4 years of english, our students would be way better off upon high school graduation and wouldn't be so scared of math in college. My daughter almost threw in the towel on her business major because the math was so hard, she was going to compromise and become a journalism major! We got a tutor and she made it through and is so happy she did.

74 posted on 02/04/2006 6:15:03 AM PST by thirst4truth
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To: JasonC
Average wages are $16.41 an hour. Geniuses aren't flipping burgers. Get a grip.

Which is a pretty low number when you stop to think about it. An national average gross salary of $33,000/year, is around 25,000 after taxes, in an environment where medical coverage is $400 a month and the average home runs $400,000. How does that add up? And, it doesn't even consider the mean salary which must be way lower; or, the even lower starting salaries, which is what our students will actually have in hand to pay off their accumulated college expenses. What does that leave for those mythical private retirement accounts?
75 posted on 02/04/2006 6:16:21 AM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: JasonC

"And Microsoft will open another office in Bangelore."

Let them. Their products are already the Mcdonalds of the computer world.


76 posted on 02/04/2006 6:16:27 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: JasonC
Japan has a sane immigration policy on skilled visas which we would do well to emulate. Up until the late 1980's, the Japanese produced a surplus of engineers who turned out innovative products and led the world in new applications for R&D, some domestic, some imported from elsewhere.

They got so rich and confident, kids stopped taking engineering and went into business and finance. By the early 1990's, their engineering surplus grew into a shortage. Nonetheless, they were able to deal with it due to sensible immigration policies-- there was no cap on skilled visas, but there was a catch-- companies were required to pay a 10% premium over the prevailing wage to get these people. The justification was simple: (1)Japanese companies would not displace a Japanese worker for economic reasons if they had to pay a premium for a foreign worker and (2)The foreign worker needed more to live a comparable lifestyle with his Japanese co-workers due to additional expenses such as travel, learning the language and a reduced range of choice in housing and such.

By the late 1990's, the surplus of business graduates (among other things) in Japan had resulted in a stagnated economy from which she is only now recovering. One of the reasons for the emerging recovery is (surprise!) more young Japanese going into science and engineering because many of the forign workers (including this one) went home during the last decade (many of them taking the skills they learned to develop their own economies) and there is, once again, a strong demand for graduates from Japanese universities well-grounded in science and math.

77 posted on 02/04/2006 6:16:28 AM PST by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: thirst4truth

My youngest has an a sociology/anthropology, and business (management), and engineering degrees.


78 posted on 02/04/2006 6:17:44 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR

The party of dean amnesty retaking the house?

Look at the last immigration bill in the house.

Republicans voted for the border fence and dems voted against it.

The dems are the party of affirmative action.

Last year the house blocked these visas. They will block them this year as well. Bush isn't running again we need to compare mike pence to nancy pelosi.

Enough of Bush already. He has no say what goes on in congress. He is a lame duck who isn't running again. I am so tired of his position being used against all republicans. Get over it.


79 posted on 02/04/2006 6:22:46 AM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: JasonC

So then American engineers simply have to be smarter than everyone in two of the most populous countries on this planet and if they are they have nothing to worry about. Right. Isn't Social Darwinism grand ?

A system in which no one with less than an IQ of 170 can expect to find good work is a bad system for America.


80 posted on 02/04/2006 6:24:40 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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