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Bush urges US Congress to lift H-1B visa limit
PTI ^ | February 03, 2006 | Sridhar Krishnaswami

Posted on 02/04/2006 4:38:34 AM PST by Tyche

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To: Bigun
The fact is we are in a global economy and are going to have to compete in the same like it or not.

And how exactly to do this competing? Working longer hours? Accepting lower pay? Or getting another engineering degree?

441 posted on 02/04/2006 9:05:13 PM PST by A. Pole (In 2001 top 5% owned 60% of national wealth, while bottom 60% owned 4%)
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To: A. Pole
And how exactly to do this competing? Working longer hours? Accepting lower pay? Or getting another engineering degree?

ALL of those things and more! Whatever is necessary in the short term while, at the same time, working to straighten out the mess we have allowed our federal government to become.

I would strongly suggest that a good starting point might be insisting that our employees in government get rid of the current communist inspired mess we call a tax code and replace it with something worthy of a free society!

442 posted on 02/04/2006 9:17:58 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I think I understand your complaint, but how is that germane to the topic under discussion?

You think we need to reform lobbying? I think we need to reform Congress!

443 posted on 02/04/2006 9:22:16 PM PST by logician2u
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To: Bigun
ALL of those things and more!

Like not having children? They are an expensive luxury. It is much cheaper to import young grown-up workers from the Third World countries. See my tagline.

444 posted on 02/04/2006 9:29:52 PM PST by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: A. Pole

Only if you have given up and are willing to quit. I hope that is not the case!


445 posted on 02/04/2006 9:33:56 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Dewy
Please!!!!! teach us little people basic economics.

I'm not qualified to teach economics, either to little people or to big people, but I will suggest two books that will bring you up to the 90th percentile relative to all public school graduates.

The first is a thin volume from the 1940s that is easy enough to read and understand, even DUmmies should have little problem (if they would only read it!): Economics in One Lesson, by Henry Hazlitt.

The second is newer and thicker, but I am told by those who've read it (I haven't yet) very well-written and not at all technical: Basic Economics, by Thomas Sowell.

In neither of these books will you likely learn how to make more money, or how to get a promotion, or any other "how-tos." Economics doesn't teach that kind of stuff. You'll have to go to the investing or personal growth sections of the bookstore for that information.

Economics is more about what causes production, wealth, poverty and unemployment than how an individual can become rich.

446 posted on 02/04/2006 9:53:01 PM PST by logician2u
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To: maui_hawaii

AMEN


447 posted on 02/04/2006 9:54:47 PM PST by Dewy (1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;)
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To: freeangel
I appreciate that some of this will go to cheap labor. But we are close to not having enough programmers to go around. If they don't do something soon programmers will start getting huge salaries again. And our products will both suck and be very expensive.

Any foreigner that comes in to get a masters degree and work as a programmer will not replace anyone. And after two or three years they will be making as much as any American and they will fill in the gap under the baby boomers to even out the population so Social Security will last through the baby boomers.
448 posted on 02/04/2006 10:02:07 PM PST by poinq
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To: A. Pole

Ditto, ditto, ditto. I know many Dems who would vote GOP based on cultural issues, but hesitate when they see the pro globalist fraction in the GOP who would outsource everything in sight just to eek out an extra percent in the quarterly profits. What burns them even more is many former globalist types become lobbyist for overseas competitors on international trade issues after they retire from the government. These globalist would sneer at us and tell us that this is the nature of the world, and tell us to grow up. We respond by saying, I don't see former Chinese, Korean, Japanese, European officials retiring and working for the US lobbying against the trade laws of their homelands. The Dem globalist are no different except they want the US to submit to an International World government. I think one day the Conservatives and Reagan Democrats will wake up and unite to form a Third Party or revolution will occur in this country in our grandchildren's generation. We unfortunately may live long enough to see it.


449 posted on 02/04/2006 10:08:06 PM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: JasonC

Great post BUMP


450 posted on 02/04/2006 10:12:54 PM PST by indcons (Please support Denmark by buying Danish products at your groceries)
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To: thirst4truth

"Well, now at age 18 he is a first term junior at the University of Oregon, and is scared of majoring in engineering, due to what he has heard about outsourcing. Should he be?"

No....in fact, a career in engineering would be the most logical choice today.


451 posted on 02/04/2006 10:16:30 PM PST by indcons (Please support Denmark by buying Danish products at your groceries)
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To: Bigun
We can waste more time exploring all the reasons for that if we wish but what we REALLY need to do is what Americans always have done, suck it up, stop whining, and go to work!

I don't agree with that assessment. Simply working harder won't accomplish a thing. Nothing. Nothing at all.

True one does have to work, but if we let the other football team have 15 players on the field then pretty much no matter how hard we work we are going to lose.

Work harder, work harder... always its work harder. That is not the solution.

Its about like comparing a ditch digger to a book reader. To the ditch digger the book reader is doing nothing.

But in the end, who gets paid more. When the ditch digger sees the other guy's paycheck he decides he'd better 'work harder'... He can dig sun up to sun down but he will never, never, never win until he fundamentally changes the way he thinks. When he finally realizes that digging ditches sucks then he's made more progress than all those years of 'hard work'.

Insessantly beating our heads against the wall with the system 'as is' is useless. That is exactly why the vast majority of the people in my age group don't give a dang about much of anything.

If other countries are going to compete via their government, I say we do the same thing. They put tarriffs on our products, I say we do the same to them. If they truly want to trade, lets get it on.

In heads up competition sure, we should work harder than everyone. But thats just it. Its not heads up competition.

Sitting around crying and begging someone to protect us from it because we are, after all, Americans serves no purpose whatever because it is FAR to late for that in any case.

Its never too late to stack the deck in our favor. We can have trade. Sure. But its time for hardball and the hardball must be done via the government because if you think other governments don't interfere with trade, you are full of crap. If they want heads up competition, fine. If not our government should interfere and punish them just as much as they seek to interfere against us.

452 posted on 02/04/2006 10:18:19 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: poinq
If they don't do something soon programmers will start getting huge salaries again.

They will be getting market salaries. And why not? If market salaries are fine for MBAs, why shouldn't they be fine for programmers?

453 posted on 02/04/2006 10:21:54 PM PST by Feldkurat_Katz (What no women’s magazine ever offers to improve is women’s minds - Taki)
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To: Bigun
Don't even think to come back with 'don't let that stuff hold you back' kind of talk.

The only thing holding back our progress is us, as a whole.

The only way we are going to make it anywhere is if there is an equitable system in place. You can rest assured that for the rest of my life I will never support any candidate that believes otherwise.

454 posted on 02/04/2006 10:23:36 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: 1rudeboy

I think there are MANY oppurtunities there for people who are interested in international business communication and project management. Those liberal arts degress can be put to use too (as long as people know what to do with them in a global economy).


455 posted on 02/04/2006 10:25:36 PM PST by indcons (Please support Denmark by buying Danish products at your groceries)
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To: Tyche
boggles the mind. It's insane to continue this system when it is so obviously at the expense of U.S. citizens. Who benefits? Extra-national investors and global corporations. People who want the government to help control the labor market. It may be pro-business but it's not a laissez-faire move. And it's certainly not in the interests of U.S. technological parity or advancement. It's a slap in the face of the citizenry, just another special favor bestowed through the aggrandizement of government power.

However if we were to drop the income tax and implement the FairTax (national retail sales tax) I suspect the explosion of capital investment in the US would make H1-B expansion absolutely necessary. Otherwise, it's a stupid, stupid, stupid thing to do.

456 posted on 02/04/2006 10:25:41 PM PST by no-s
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To: JasonC

If the economy is doing soooo well, why is GWB approval rating below 50 percent. With the low unemployment numbers and great GDP numbers, GWB and GOP should be soaring in the polls even against a biased MSM. They are not because the economic and employment numbers are great at the wholesale level, but free trade/globalism at the retail level is not so rosy. Outsourcing and low cost H-1B is affecting the job security of many American workers. It is as threatening as the open border polcies of the government for illegal immigrants. All have economical consequences at the kitchen table level.


457 posted on 02/04/2006 10:37:43 PM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

This is in response to the demands that India open up sections of its own economy....welcome to the global economy!! The price of beef in West Texas does have an effect on the markets and consumer choices in South Korea (whether you ike it or not).


458 posted on 02/04/2006 10:37:54 PM PST by indcons (Please support Denmark by buying Danish products at your groceries)
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To: indcons
,i>This is in response to the demands that India open up sections of its own economy

This is in response to a federal government that would trade away American rights in order to gain 'market share'. Good deal, NOT.
459 posted on 02/04/2006 10:41:00 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: logician2u

Hats off on your great post.....very well said.


460 posted on 02/04/2006 10:41:06 PM PST by indcons (Please support Denmark by buying Danish products at your groceries)
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