Russia: The Marriage Of Energy And Security

RFE/RL ^ | 02 February 2006 | Roman Kupchinsky

[jb6]

The only religios group you're going to find me slamming is Islam. It would be an honor for you to repost my thoughts on that...unless you'd rather defend them.

[x5452]

I suspect most protestants would be insulted you equate protestantism with the beleifs of rapturists and armageddonists agent tailgetter.

[Tailgunner Joe]

How about when you said Shiite Islam wasn't so bad becasue you were shilling for Putin's Iranian allies?

[jb6]

How about when you said Shiite Islam wasn't so bad becasue you were shilling for Putin's Iranian allies?

Wasn't so bad as compared to the Sunnies, yes they aren't. Are they still the cult of the Devil, yes they are.

Keep trying, you're looking rather pathetic, it's fun to watch.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Not all protestants are Biblical literalists, but all Biblical literalists are protestants. You consider all protestants damned heretics.

[GarySpFc]

(They even get the 10 commandments wrong. It is thou shalt not commit murder, NOT thou shalt not kill)

If a person has been a Christian for any length of time they would know the true interpretation for this passage, but very few Democrats would be aware of it.

[Tailgunner Joe]

No you just said they weren't so bad in general and their kids patied in Berlin.

[x5452]

I do not necessarily consider them to be damned.

[Tailgunner Joe]

You also said that the Ayatollahs had no links to al-Qaeda which is another lie. Anything to serve Tsar Putin, right, tovarsich?

[GarySpFc]

Russia has designs on regional power and will use their resources as a means to the ends. Just like we do, just like Britain does, Germany, France, it's called geo-politics. It's our job (the US) to figure a way to get the Russians to do things that don't directly confront our interests. In order to do this correctly we need to understand how they look at the world.

What Spanalot, TG, and the other Russianphobes miss is there is nothing wrong in looking out for your own self interest, nor is there anything evil in plotting such a course. Indeed, a country would be morally bankrupt not to look out for its own interests, and especially with a goal of avoiding future conflicts.

[GarySpFc]

When resources are private property, that's called freedom. When the government controls the natural resources we call that socialism. Putin is introducing third way fascist economics to Russia.

What you are missing is that Putin and the Russian government are opening up areas of private ownership, but they still remember all too well how the Russia was raped by the oligarchs with money from America. They are simply taking a slower and more well ordered path towards captalism, and have no intention of going backwards.

[Tailgunner Joe]

It was the Americans who were raped by Russian oligarchs who stole IMF money.

[GarySpFc]

This clearly is a left wing site.

[x5452]

It's left wing in the truest sense: it's explicitly anti-American.

[x5452]

Hey you support American tax dollars being given to Oligarchs in East Europe.

You devoutly defend the millions that went from American tax payers into the pockets of Yushchenko, and Nasha Ukraina.

[Tailgunner Joe]

None of the money the US sent to Ukraine went to Yushchenko. We gave money to election monitors to document how the muslim oligarch funded Yanukovych stole the election. I support using American money to support pro-Americans.

[x5452]

Yeah you keep saying that and posting lefitists drivel mags to back it up (when you bother to post evidence at all which is rare).

Fact is even republicans in congress have questioned exactly how it was that Soros was able to funnel money from American taxpayers to his NGOs and candidates in Ukraine.

[GarySpFc]

What did you call them... ah, yes, "millianist fringers." But then we all know what you think of Protestants.

Joe, it may surprise you, but the majority of liberal and conservative Christian Protestants are not premilleniasts.

[spanalot]

Att: All Freepers,

Compare the following "talking points directive" issued by the Kremlin after a "mad slasher" incident with the subsequent post by jb6 and Romanov on the same day.
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"The objectives of media reaction.....
• maximum connection of the party “Rodina” with nationalist ideology and placing the responsibility for what is happening on the party;"

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Posted by Romanov to jb6
On News/Activism 01/12/2006 8:01:20 PM EST · 36 of 36


"One interesting thing to come out of this despicable act is Rodina and its leader Rogozin were very quick to condemn in very harsh language the skinhead and those who think like him. (Remember - this was a party accused of being anti-semitic [with good reason])."
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Is it any surprise that a review of all posts by jb6 and Romanov reveals that they are 95% spin doctoring for the Kremlin?

[Tailgunner Joe]

The Prime Minister today specifically accused the United States of intervening in the election, funding the opposition. What's your response to those charges?

MR. McCLELLAN: We addressed this issue last week. As I indicated, and as the President has indicated previously, the United States strongly supports a democratic process that reflects the will of the people of Ukraine. That's what our view is. We do not and have not supported any particular candidate in Ukraine's presidential election. We do support free and fair elections around the world, and we do provide financial assistance to international organizations to help make sure there are free and fair elections. And we have provided assistance to organizations supporting such a process in Ukraine, and that includes NGOs, as well as other international organizations -- but that's to assist in voter education and political party training. And it is also assistance which is made available to all political parties in Ukraine.

Q Are you satisfied that there wasn't any crossover from the NGO money into a specific and outright campaign --

MR. McCLELLAN: Our assistance is to support free and fair elections that reflect the will of the people -- and that's what we do all over the world. - LINK