Russia: The Marriage Of Energy And Security

RFE/RL ^ | 02 February 2006 | Roman Kupchinsky

[spanalot]

"In a nutshell, it became clear that energy as a policy tool was cheaper than tanks and missiles; Russian energy policy is able to reach those distant lands where the underpaid and demoralized Russian military would never dare venture. "

This Weapon of Gas Destruction is a double edged sword.
Petro prices are plummeting

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/commodities/energyprices.html

and another 3 weeks of this and Putin will be bankrupt - just like the communists went bankrupt in the 90's.

[spanalot]

Putie Pingie

[Romanov]

.) Why do you use "Zavtra" and "Zavtra" journalists in your rebuttals to people?
2.) Do you endorse "Zavtra" or will you condemn it?
3.) In which country's army did you serve?
4.) If you were eligible to serve in our great nation's military, why didn't you?
5.) At which GULag were your parents held?
6.) Under what article where they held?
7.) Do you renounce the anti-Semitism, Anti-Americanism, and Anti-Capitalism that your source, "Zavtra" publishes on a daily basis?

[spanalot]

Att: All Freepers,

Compare the following "talking points directive" issued by the Kremlin after a "mad slasher" incident with the subsequent post by jb6 and Romanov on the same day.
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"The objectives of media reaction.....
• maximum connection of the party “Rodina” with nationalist ideology and placing the responsibility for what is happening on the party;"

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Posted by Romanov to jb6
On News/Activism 01/12/2006 8:01:20 PM EST · 36 of 36


"One interesting thing to come out of this despicable act is Rodina and its leader Rogozin were very quick to condemn in very harsh language the skinhead and those who think like him. (Remember - this was a party accused of being anti-semitic [with good reason])."
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Is it any surprise that a review of all posts by jb6 and Romanov reveals that they are 95% spin doctoring for the Kremlin?

[Romanov]

Wow, you actually dug out a pretty accurate report. Highlights what I have been saying. The Western-leaning advisors have been steadily losing their influence because of the constant drum-beat of the "America is evil in everything it does" advisors who don't realize the Cold War is over. They have lost their power because of the extremely negative and usually incorrect reports in the media regarding Russia. Makes the "Cold Warriors" in Russia incorrectly appear correct.

We have the same reactionaries here. Sad thing is, just like the overwrought Russian reactionaries, our reactionaries push people in the wrong direction.

But, I guess you haven't figured out that this article vindicates what GarySpFc, Jb6, x5452, and others have been articulating. (Instead the tendency of late has been to ignore those indicators and trash the people spelling it out.) Russia has designs on regional power and will use their resources as a means to the ends. Just like we do, just like Britain does, Germany, France, it's called geo-politics. It's our job (the US) to figure a way to get the Russians to do things that don't directly confront our interests. In order to do this correctly we need to understand how they look at the world.

[Romanov]

Ok spanalot, explain how what I wrote about Rogozin is an endorsement of what he stands for, or follows in line with the fake temnyki that your anti-semitic source published?

Of course please keep posting what I wrote over and over. It highlights your woeful English comprehension "skills."

And before I forget:

1.) Why do you use "Zavtra" and "Zavtra" journalists in your rebuttals to people?
2.) Do you endorse "Zavtra" or will you condemn it?
3.) In which country's army did you serve?
4.) If you were eligible to serve in our great nation's military, why didn't you?
5.) At which GULag were your parents held?
6.) Under what article where they held?
7.) Do you renounce the anti-Semitism, Anti-Americanism, and Anti-Capitalism that your source, "Zavtra" publishes on a daily basis?

You'd be able to answer them if you were able to stick to a.) your story and b.) the truth.

[spanalot]

Lets be frank gentlemen - each of you has had a rabid reaction to all those here at FR who have criticized the Kremlins power grab.

Below is a typical ham handed threat to those that look into Putie's eyes and don't see a friend.

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Paperwork
From Romanov | 01/31/2006 9:53:17 PM EST new

Spanalot,
I've warned you before. That's the last time. Expect to be hearing from me via legal channels.
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Romanov, its rather hypocritical to send this and then have the temerity to cry "forgery" after it is publicized.

[Tailgunner Joe]

When resources are private property, that's called freedom. When the government controls the natural resources we call that socialism. Putin is introducing third way fascist economics to Russia.

I know the Russians think they are acting in their own interests. I just disagree. Just like I disagree that its in Russia's interests to support Iran, Chavez, Kim Jong-Il and all the rest of America's enemies. In fact, I think it's a really bad idea which will come back to haunt them.

[Romanov]

Spanalot,

Here's what I wrote:
""One interesting thing to come out of this despicable act is Rodina and its leader Rogozin were very quick to condemn in very harsh language the skinhead and those who think like him. (Remember - this was a party accused of being anti-semitic [with good reason])."

You claim I wrote this because the anti-Semitic newspaper "Zavtra" published a fake "temnyki" ordering the press to slam Rogozin. Which means you think Rogozin is a good guy.

Ok, let's see what the official US position is vis-a-vis Rogozin and his party:

"MOSCOW (Interfax) - Leader of the Rodina (Homeland) parliamentary group Dmitry Rogozin has categorically disagreed with statements that the Rodina party made anti-Semitic remarks, for which it was blamed in a U.S. Department of State report about anti-Semitism in various countries.

"I would call it filthy slander. We are not dealing with such rubbish," Rogozin told journalists on Wednesday in comments on the report."

The excerpt from the US State Dept report:

"It also points at Anti-Semitic statements of many Russian politicians, in particular, representatives of Rodina (Homeland), Communist and LDPR parties. " (note: Rogozin is the leader of Rodina)

So, you going to contact the US Dept of State and tell them their Kremlin lackies and Putinites? Let's see, my position on this is in-line with Sec. Rice's position. Your position is in line with Rogozin, the Communist Party and Zhirinovsky's party. Shame on you.

[Just mythoughts]

This is Putin's year, he is to host the G-8 Summit and he said it was to be about ENERGY SECURITY. What, maybe Putin is now the 'oil and gas' cartel?

[Romanov]

"I know the Russians think they are acting in their own interests. I just disagree. Just like I disagree that its in Russia's interests to support Iran, Chavez, Kim Jong-Il and all the rest of America's enemies. In fact, I think it's a really bad idea which will come back to haunt them."

I can't argue with that position as I have made these same statements. But for that (explaining why Russia does what they do), I am labeled a "traitor."

[Romanov]

Didn't Bush say the US and Russia were exploring ways of increasing the amount of Russian oil we import? And didn't OPEC try really hard to get Russia to join? Putin turned them down. OPEC wanted to control Russia because it ALSO uses oil/gas as a foreign policy tool.

[Romanov]

This: "... "Zavtra" published a fake "temnyki" ordering the press to slam Rogozin."

Should actually be:

"Y... "Zavtra" published a fake "temnyki" it claimed was from the Kremlin ordering the press to slam Rogozin."

[Just mythoughts]

President Bush may have looked into Putin's eyes but I haven't' and with them still itching about their lock out on Saddam's oil tells me there is a PAYBACK down the road.

[spanalot]

This: "... "Zavtra" published a fake "temnyki" ordering the press to slam Rogozin."

Should actually be:

"Y... "Zavtra" published a fake "temnyki" it claimed was from the Kremlin ordering the press to slam Rogozin."
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What's the matter? Did you transcibe the "Temnyky" Temnyky incorrectly?

[spanalot]

ping

[jb6]

So where are your Zavtra Tymniki, which you refuse to post and site? Did you leave the URL in the Gulag you grew up in?

[RusIvan]

When resources are private property, that's called freedom. When the government controls the natural resources we call that socialism. Putin is introducing third way fascist economics to Russia.==

I would rather agree with you here. Just one remark. If the natural resources go to the private hands of such figure as Hodorkovskii then I would rather disagree.
If you want assess Hodorkovskii then think Enron but much much much dirtier.

[RusIvan]

Just like I disagree that its in Russia's interests to support Iran, Chavez, Kim Jong-Il and all the rest of America's enemies. In fact, I think it's a really bad idea which will come back to haunt them.==

I think Russia just nor support them. Russia is just making money in vague situation. And just remember that those countries are neibors of Russia (include China and except Chavez). If Russia will go into conflict with them then it will trouble her borders.