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The Real Bush?
Townhall.com ^ | 2/2/2006 | Robert Novak

Posted on 02/02/2006 9:48:11 AM PST by dson7_ck1249

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To: marlon
Novak is more a libertarian than conservative. He went ballistic after GHWB violated his tax pledge (as did we all, of course). Went around the bend. Supported Xlinton in '92.

Regretted it later, but too late.

21 posted on 02/02/2006 10:39:43 AM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: dson7_ck1249
The American Competitiveness Initiative was not only vague and weak, but it doesn't address the actual problem with the way American public education is handled.

When you tie the American education system to the feds, and the federal government dictates how the money is to be used, withheld, etc., you create a really bad environment for education.
22 posted on 02/02/2006 10:43:13 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: dson7_ck1249

Maybe conservatives SHOULD be mad at the speech, but I haven't seen it. We're pretty conservative here and the poll suggest we were very happy.

Novak must have a different set of conservative buddies.

BTW, I don't think Bush's energy plan has to be an industrial policy, or pick winners and losers. I don't think Government does a good a job of research investment as the private sector, but I don't think it is wrong to HAVE investment in the things he mentioned (batteries and hydrogen fuel).

I'm not sure it's needed, and it probably is a waste of money, so I don't want to suggest we should be happy about it either, just it's not something that will force people to use batteries or hydrogen.

I wouldn't mind seeing government spend money to re-energize the nuclear industry, which is hurt by government allowing support for govermnent-judicial risks that companies can't accept.


23 posted on 02/02/2006 10:44:11 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

the polls might seem like it, but compared to the polls for all of his other State of the Union speeches, this one has the lowest ratings...

I agree though, that the energy issues in this country are critical and the government needs to be better in handling it, as it has global ramifications.


24 posted on 02/02/2006 10:47:49 AM PST by dson7_ck1249
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To: Paul Ross

He's a registered Democrat.


25 posted on 02/02/2006 10:48:26 AM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Paul Ross
President Bush clearly purposely left out China when he listed repressive regimes.

This is disapointing and undercuts his own rhetoric and doctrine.

26 posted on 02/02/2006 10:48:38 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Maybe conservatives SHOULD be mad at the speech, but I haven't seen it. We're pretty conservative here and the poll suggest we were very happy.

I was at the Michael Medved speaking engagement in Hopkins, MN Tuesday, and the SOTU was put up on the Big Screen, with Fox News coverage (thankfully).

And it was a generally warm set of applauses for the President.

But when he talked about Trade Isolationists, and needing Immigration....the entire audience of like, I would guess over a thousand, very conspicuously....

SAT ON THEIR HANDS,

this despite the GOP Congressman dutifully clapping.

You could almost hear the crickets chirping.

27 posted on 02/02/2006 10:50:41 AM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: Howlin

Look who he treats better!


28 posted on 02/02/2006 10:51:28 AM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: dson7_ck1249

As a former teachers, I know one thing: Federal Aid for education is pure pork. It results in better football stadiums, not better science classes.


29 posted on 02/02/2006 10:52:17 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: SeƱor Zorro

Actually, it makes no difference if he was a troll or not, he posted a real article, not a vanity -- and the article is not from some left-wing nutcase.


30 posted on 02/02/2006 10:58:55 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Bommer

You are correct. Bush can "reach out" to the socialists all he wants and he is not going anywhere now. He blew his liberal spending wad, so to speak. Republicans need to set a separate agenda from Bush for the next election.


31 posted on 02/02/2006 10:59:04 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Paul Ross

For 2008, if we go for the "squishy middle" strategy again, and fail to field a true Rightist, then shame on us all. This experiment in tolerance of the middle of the road has been pretty mediocre. Bush gets credit for many things, but the overt pangs of liberalism that have colored his outlook since childhood cannot be denied. Either live and learn, or, fail.


32 posted on 02/02/2006 12:32:49 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Siena Dreaming
You have pointed out where the problem is. The Congress. They need to write the legislation. That's where the pressure should be applied, not the President on this one IMO. Hastert needs to be brought more into the spotlight on this.

You are back to the fox guarding the henhouse though. Why would Congress give up the free trips, the "favors", campaign donations, etc., that lobbyists provide.

Ron Paul wrote on helluva essay on this, basically saying that as long as the pork is there, the lobbyists will be there, and as long as the lobbyists are there, the pork will continue to be given. It's literally a chicken-egg scenario.
33 posted on 02/02/2006 12:44:18 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Maybe conservatives SHOULD be mad at the speech, but I haven't seen it. We're pretty conservative here and the poll suggest we were very happy.

How much do we trust polls? One poll posted this week here on FR said that 20% of the country is truly Conservative - not what the GOP says is Conservative, but truly Conservative almost to the point of libertarianism.

I could ask you "would you be okay with me taking your house and your car and replacing them with a house and car that are worth 100 times more than the house and car you currently have".

If you said yes, then I could say "I took a poll of CharlesWayneCT, and he has no problem with me taking his house and car".
34 posted on 02/02/2006 12:52:58 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
Why would Congress give up the free trips, the "favors", campaign donations, etc., that lobbyists provide.

That's like saying if you see a front door open with no car in the garage why wouldn't you walk in and steal the stereo?Not everyone would.

The Congress is the body which writes the laws. Thus, if the laws are corrupt, the people are responsible for putting pressure on them to either change them or elect them out. It's not a given that every congressperson is corrupt IMO. Put pressure on the good ones to do their job.

35 posted on 02/02/2006 1:03:45 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Galveston Grl
Republicans need to set a separate agenda from Bush for the next election.

Correct. This will be difficult, however...

It appears the administration is still trying to tie up the major funding sources with his proxy agents. Thence he will be able to try and steer the nomination to whomever appeals most to him at the time the decision is made.

Clearly, there has been a push by him, via Dick Morris, to build a groundswell for Condoleeza Rice. [ Minor digression: I believe she is pro-abortion, and 'moderate' on other social issues. A protege of Gary Hart. ]

Specifically, I also have a number of skeptical doubts about her soundness of judgement, from foreign trade, to national security. I believe flat out she was soft on the need to clean house of bad (democRAT) personnel from the get-go in 2000. [Who here doesn't think Richard Clarke's shenanigans prior didn't have a lot to do with our unpreparedness for 9-11? As Rush reported...Neither Clarke or Tenet EVER briefed Rice, the Prez, or Rummy on the Al-Queda's "Operation Bojinka." A good National Security Advisor would have discovered this on their own, despite this misfeasance. No evidence she ever did, if the 9-11 Commn hearings are to be credited. ]

I believe Rice was Soft on the Russians. Hence the GWB-Putin love-fest. Soft on the Chinese. Soft on China thuggery controlling the Panama Canal. Soft on the Law of the Sea Treaty. Soft on the WTO infringing on U.S. Sovereignty. Soft on Mexico. Soft on Chavez in Venezuela (even when he sent $1 million to Al-Queda). Soft on Brazil.

And even in the War on Terror...why are the clearly-labelled "axis" nations of Iran and North Korea still not dealt with four years later? And Soft on Syria. So much for the much-dreaded unilateralism of the "princess warrior."

36 posted on 02/02/2006 1:04:50 PM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: af_vet_rr

I meant the poll of members here at FreeRepublic. I'm not saying its a really accurate reflection of reality, but I would think if there was widespread conservative disenchantment with the speech, it would show up big-time in this poll.

According to the latest numbers, the members of FR say:
How would you rate President Bush's State of the Union address?



Excellent 46.9% 556
Good 34.5% 409
Fair 9.4% 111
Undecided/Pass 4.0% 47
Poor 3.6% 43
Failure 1.7% 20


38 posted on 02/02/2006 1:24:58 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Howlin
He's a registered Democrat.

I assume you are being facetious....we are talking about the same guy, right?

I frankly don't credence Wikipedia's claims with regard to the party registration. Consider the information contributors: NYT, and Salon.com But I suppose that my expectations could be confounded. Anybody got an actual interview where he admits this?

39 posted on 02/02/2006 1:29:21 PM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: Paul Ross

I most certainly am not kidding; he's said so himself.


40 posted on 02/02/2006 1:34:29 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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