A very smooth shooting gun.
Posted on 02/01/2006 3:42:08 PM PST by John Jorsett
Pat Rogers is the guy to ask about this article...he's personally involved in the procurement process for the firearms in question.
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Any way, I would love to be able to purchase a nice 1911 pattern pistol, the price though is relatively high for someone without a lot of disposable income...
Pretty. I'm not a big fan of DAO though, loooong trigger pull.....
The Hatcher Report on handgun stopping power, written after the Phillipine conflict at the turn of the last century, concluded that, for sub-sonic rounds, only caliber had any effect on stopping power, i.e., knocking down a man with only one shot. The Report was written after soldiers equipped with .38s kept having the crazy Phillipine rebels keep fighting. That led to the creation and issuance of the 1911 .45. I haven't seen anything since that suggests any different. Incidentally, the Report also found that hollow points made no difference, again with a sub-sonic round. Jeff Cooper took all this info to heart, and recommends wad-cutters for the accuracy and ease of handling. Military ball ammo, I understand, made the 1911 more difficult to shoot than it needed to be. When the Army studied the gun and then started issuing Baretta 9 mms., it should instead have changed the 1911 load and bullet.
Knock down..
I guess "for every action and equal and opposite reaction" is junk science?
That "READ MANUAL BEFORE USE" stamped so prominently on the slide ruins it.
What grain bullet did the author use in his evaluation? .45s go from 180 grains [ same as a .40] up to 230 grains [known as the "flying ash tray]. Did he use FMJs or hollow points? For a highly technical article, that's an important area to omit.
"Read Manual Before Use"
surely that must be a requiremed "boilerplate" from the California Legislature!
Waddies will now and then present you with ramp fouling in the .45, not too bad if you clean it after every session but that's not always possible in the field. I like them in my .38 spls especially in the summertime; in the winter when heavier clothing is worn I'll go to a semijacketed hollow. With the .45 mine (Colt Commander and Kimber) seem to gobble up just about anything I'm silly enough to stick in there. I have a couple LEO friends who swear by the 185-gr Golden Sabres but I stick with the 230-gr hollows. My gunsmith brother calls them "flying ashtrays."
Went shooting w/ a friend and his .45 was smooth as silk.
SMACK!!! (Hitting forehead w/ palm) shoulda bought a .45!
Years ago, I bought a Star Firestar in .40S&W. A few months after I bought it, they released one in .45! I feel the same way... Oh, BTW, you want to talk about kicking hard? The Firestar is about the size of a .380 pocket pistol. About 20 rounds of practice is all I care to deal with at one time. It's not a fun gun to shoot.
Mark
Of course they didn't let most of the troops shoot full auto, but I was comfortable with one and carried one for years. Loved the M3 and the 1911.
I always thought of the pistol as a badge of office, rather than a real weapon. Even though it was much more useful and compact than the saber it replaced, I never carried one in combat. Things have really gotten desperate if you actually have to use one.
The M1911A1 felt better in my hand, I got more rounds on target with the M9 - probably because they were less worn. Otherwise, I remain indifferent.
A gun is a tool, it depends on who is using it.
While I've never been able to afford to buy a Berreta, I do have a Taurus PT-99 that I bought new in 1989. It is similar to the old style Berettas, pre-decocking lever.
Mind has only had 2 failures: The first was due to my mistakenly running some rounds I had loaded that were far in excess of standard 9mm proof loads: I had loaded some 9mm 165gr FMJBT bullets to +P+ submachinegun standards. The failure was that one of the locking lugs had broken off, locking the action completely. The other was a failure in the roll pin, holding the rear sight in place! I was in the middle of a USPSA match, and I noticed midway through my course of fire that "something" was different, but I finished the course. Afterwards, I realized that the blade of the read sight was missing!
Mark
On the other hand, small sharp kicking rifles hurt me. A 58 cal. Black powder rifle just gently pushes but a 30-30 in a lever action hurts my shoulder.
Can it do my taxes, too?
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