Deputy Shooting Of Military Police Officer Under Investigation

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[ozoneliar]

California's attempts to undermine the Armed Forces continues :)

[Ben Mugged]

I watched the video and it does not support your conclusion. The soldier was a passenger in a car that was running from police. The driver and passenger were going to the store for more booze when the family party they were at ran out. The police officer had the soldier on the ground and told him to stay there. The soldier was cursing at the police officer and started to rise and the officer shot him.

Moral: If you are being held at gunpoint on the ground in a scary neighborhood after being caught committing a crime, do exactly what the officer tells you to do.

[kenth]

He just started to rise and the officer shot him?

[usurper]

The soldier was cursing at the police officer and started to rise and the officer shot him.

Seems like he skipped several steps in the escalation of force continuum. You can’t just shoot people because they don’t follow your orders.

[adjuster]

Another pyscho cop. where are they hiring these jokers?

It's not a capital offense to disobey a cop.... and drunks tend to disobey...

why wasn't he cuffed?

[Ben Mugged]

I only know what I saw on the local news this morning. The officer was alone in a bad part of town. He was at the end of a high speed pursuit. He had two perps on the ground. If an officer has told you to remain on the ground and you refuse to comply, does the officer have grounds for the use of force? By the way, the soldier was in civilian clothes so the original posters supposition that "California's attempts to undermine the Armed Forces continues :) " was not supported by the evidence.

[freepatriot32]

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[xsrdx]

Hmmm. As stated the LEO did not appear to be justified in the use of lethal force, but I'll betcha this gets tagged a "clean shoot."

[xsrdx]

Also, the USAF has Security Police, or SP's, not MP's.

[Amerigomag]

California's attempts to undermine the Armed Forces continues :) was not supported by the evidence.

Had ozoneilar possessed the HTML skills to post; California's attempts to undermine the Armed Forces continues </sarcasm> instead of :), would the allegation that the reply was not supported by the evidence have still applied?

[ozoneliar]

"California's attempts to undermine the Armed Forces continues :) " was not supported by the evidence.

I was being sarcastic/joking;thus the ':)'.

[jagusafr]

Actually, the USAF now has Security Forces, reflecting that they do both law enforcement and force protection.

[xsrdx]

Actually, the USAF now has Security Forces.

So they're Air Force SF's now? I'll bet Army SF is not amused.

[usurper]

If an officer has told you to remain on the ground and you refuse to comply, does the officer have grounds for the use of force?

Sure but not deadly force. Most all law enforcement officers can use deadly force only in 3 circumstances. 1) To protect themselves from death or grievous bodily harm. 2) To protect their partner from the same. 3) To protect an innocent third party.

In deciding whether an officer was justified in using deadly force the courts generally look at several factors. 1. The intent of the individual to do harm. 2. The capacity of the individual to do harm.

In other words, if I am standing 50 yards away from an officer holding a knife telling him I want to kill him, he can’t use deadly force because while I may have the intent, I lack the capacity at 50 yards to harm him.

From what you described it sounds like this officer is in for a long legal battle.

[winston2]

Sure but not deadly force. Most all law enforcement officers can use deadly force only in 3 circumstances. 1) To protect themselves from death or grievous bodily harm. 2) To protect their partner from the same. 3) To protect an innocent third party.

How soon we forget what happened in Fulton County Georgia on March 11, 2005 -
Brian Nichols is accused of overpowering a deputy and stealing her gun, then killing Judge Rowland Barnes, who was presiding over Nichols' rape trial, and his court reporter. A sheriff's deputy was killed outside the courthouse, and a federal agent was killed elsewhere before Nichols was taken into custody the day after the rampage.

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It is an imperative for citizens to NOT present themselves as a threat to LEO's. If you read through my posts on contraband substances - you will find that I am a Libertarian at heart - but I assure you that threatening a LEO is one of the last things that I would contemplate. I advise all that it is a big mistake to jeopardize an officer of the law's safety.

[Maximus_Ridiculousness]

This story is very disturbing. An MP (SP or SF) are usually well trained and known what not to do in a situation like this. I watched the video several times and I thought for sure the officer was asking the guy to stand up. It also looked like the officer just suddenly panicked.

My husband is an MP. Hubby, what can you say about this?

[jagusafr]

Well, I think they're still annoyed that everybody gets to wear a black beret (don't GET me started).

[xsrdx]

the officer was asking the guy to stand up.

Sounded like that to me also, but others have theorized the officer was saying, "don't STAND UP", which would put the airman's actions in a different light.

[winston2]

Seems like he skipped several steps in the escalation of force continuum. You can’t just shoot people because they don’t follow your orders.

You have my most humble apology!

I watched the video of this shooting last night and saw for myself that the police told the U.S. airman to "get up" "get up". As the U.S. airman was getting up - not even off his knees - the policeman shot the U.S. airman 4 times and then started screaming profanities at the airman. It was clearly a case of attempted murder. I'm sorry for my uninformed presumptuous remarks. I usually don't speak without better information.

I can just see a several million dollar law suit coming in favor of the U.S. airman - and it will be justice.

[Bear_Slayer]

The soldier was cursing at the police officer and started to rise and the officer shot him.

SBLEO - "I said get up!"
AFLEO - getting up
SBLEO - BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!
AFLEO - Falls, "Moan, groan,"
Bystander - "You told him to get up!"