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Intelligent design is not creationism (Stephen Meyer)
London Telegraph ^ | 01/28/2006 | Stephen Meyer

Posted on 01/30/2006 9:40:22 AM PST by SirLinksalot

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To: VadeRetro

So you admit you live in a different world than the rest of us?

That's a silly statement.


81 posted on 01/30/2006 1:04:35 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: VadeRetro

And you don't think that could be said for the evolution supporters as well? Posting the same pages over and over. Definitions of theory, etc. We'll all seen them numerous times. Or those who just sit back and call those of us who believe in God liars. Or those who state that evolution is a fact. Yeah, I can see where your side is very well represented on here.


82 posted on 01/30/2006 1:06:46 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Tell you what. I'll show you some of mine if you'll show me anything you've ever done worth anything.

An oldie.

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a38bc8996338f.htm

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b49dbcb0ba0.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/857084/posts?page=65#65.

83 posted on 01/30/2006 1:07:20 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: mlc9852
And you don't think that could be said for the evolution supporters as well?

Anything we ever say about you, you try to turn around. But the situation isn't symmetrical. Virtually all of us are totally familiar with creationist materials, the various creationist players and theories, etc. We hear you just fine. We can anticipate you easily and usually do.

Very few of you know jack about what evolution even says, preferring strawmen along the model of, "So, one day a snake gave birth to a bird. But where O where was there another little bird for it to mate with?"

If you know what's wrong with the preceding statement, tell me. If you don't, thank you for making my point.

84 posted on 01/30/2006 1:11:46 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: orionblamblam

I'm sorry, I thought this discussion was about Watson and Crick's discoveries about DNA and coding, as stated by the original author.

Are you seriously equating classroom discussion of the implications of Watson and Crick's discoveries in biology (all of the implications), to aliens and pyramids?

Biotechnology is making it hard to defend Darwinism - setting it on its head, in the words of Barry Commoner in this article. Reductionism should lead science closer to Darwin, not farther away...alas.

http://www.gene-watch.org/genewatch/articles/16-3commoner.html

Children whose science educations are denied exposure to ID implications, even as a controversy, are missing a lot, imho.


85 posted on 01/30/2006 1:13:40 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: VadeRetro

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1566808/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1566771/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1564672/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1567579/posts

Of course, you can always check to see what I've posted. Unlike you, I have other interests besides evo/crevo debates.


86 posted on 01/30/2006 1:19:39 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: VadeRetro

My problem is I can't really figure out what the platypus is. Where does it fit with evolution? I'm just fascinated by them. Apparently the first scientists didn't even believe they were real. Shouldn't evolution have predicted a creature such as the platypus?


87 posted on 01/30/2006 1:22:59 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
But where did you ever post anything scientific? Being puzzled by the platypus or anything else isn't science. Scientists start out puzzled, they don't militantly stay that way.

Is this science? "Where does air come from?"

I was a scientist when I was four if it is.

88 posted on 01/30/2006 1:23:52 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
He is still vaguely Deistic, seeing an impersonal, non-anthropomorphic God. The result sounds to me something like Einstein's near-metaphorical Deism.

Then I don't see why there is a need for God to exist in Flew's worldview and why he would use the classical term --Deist. A Deist to me, BY DEFINITION, believes in some powerful entity who caused things into existence. Implicit in it, seems to be Design.
89 posted on 01/30/2006 1:24:16 PM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: mlc9852
My problem is I can't really figure out what the platypus is. Where does it fit with evolution?

Are you totally stumped? Is this science?

90 posted on 01/30/2006 1:24:32 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
Asking questions is what science does. Okay, I'm really tired of playing your silly games.

If you have something intelligent to add to the debate, fine. If you have nothing better to do than tell us how brilliant you were as a four-year old, then I'm busy.

Don't you have anything better to do?
91 posted on 01/30/2006 1:30:07 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: VadeRetro

You can't figure it out either. LOL But I didn't expect you to.


92 posted on 01/30/2006 1:30:49 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Apparently the first scientists didn't even believe they were real. Shouldn't evolution have predicted a creature such as the platypus?

The first (non-living) platypus specimens reaching Europe in the 1790s where thought faked, yes. When should evolution have predicted this? It was already history in Darwin's day.

How does evolutionary theory tell us what the next previously undiscovered life form will be? Why haven't you answered my question on what is wrong with the argument "So, one day a snake gives birth to a bird. But where O where is there another little bird for it to mate with?"

After all, you already must be something of an expert on evolution. You know all that weary stuff we've presented on these threads over and over.

93 posted on 01/30/2006 1:30:55 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: mlc9852
So, you're fascinated by the platypus. What do you know about what evolution says about it and why is that inadequate in your mind?
94 posted on 01/30/2006 1:31:50 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

"So, one day a snake gives birth to a bird. But where O where is there another little bird for it to mate with?"

Did you really want an answer to that? You obviously have way too much time on your hands. Maybe you could volunteer to teach science at your local high school.


95 posted on 01/30/2006 1:32:48 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Yes, I want to see you answer that. And don't forget to tell me what's wrong with evolution's analysis of the platypus. After all, you're an expert on evolution and you're fascinated by the platypus.

It is your contention that creationists retain as much from these discussions as do evos. Feel free to demonstrate.

96 posted on 01/30/2006 1:34:36 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

Well, not many mammals lay eggs. I guess you are never curious about anything because you already know everything! I am quite honored you would waste your valuable time trying to explain anything to the likes of me. I am awed by your intellect!


97 posted on 01/30/2006 1:34:42 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: VadeRetro

What is evolution's analysis of the platypus? I didn't realize there was one.


98 posted on 01/30/2006 1:35:39 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Posting the same pages over and over. Definitions of theory, etc. We'll all seen them numerous times.

Some learn from the definitions I post.

Some do not.

99 posted on 01/30/2006 1:36:31 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: mlc9852
What is evolution's analysis of the platypus? I didn't realize there was one.

That's very odd for someone in your position. You would seem to be militantly pig-ignorant.

100 posted on 01/30/2006 1:36:45 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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