Posted on 01/29/2006 10:16:44 AM PST by ChicagoHebrew
Yes, and that was before Chabad began believing a dead guy was the Messiah.
The meshichistnicks have been denounced by the mainstream Chabad leaders. They have even taken out a court order to evict the meshichistnicks from 770.
As I understand it, the big battle isn't really over whether or not the Rebbe was the Messiah, but rather over whether or not to PUBLICIZE that the Rebbe was the Messiah. I have yet to see any mainstream Chabad leaders actually denounce the Messianishm, and acknowledge that the Rebbe is: A) dead; and B) not the Messiah.
Well,
I was never into deep-minded religious discussions.
Yet I concider Judaism and Christianiti, one the same and most of all only true religion.
Being Serb Ortodox, Judaism is much closer tome than to Catholics. I have allways concidered Judaism to be older-brother to christianity, and my full respect to actual religion of Christ.
As for diference with Serb Ortodoxy, lets just say that Serbs actualy pray to God, than to Jesuss Christ. Ortodoxy teaches that God is elder than Jesuss, for Jesuss being SON, and God being the Father.
Well, priests could explain it better.
sipmly, judaism is something like a fundament of Christianity, most important standard for actual Christianity.
<< .... the Koran is but a syncretistic amalgam, clearly bogus. >>
No disagreement from me and I have studied it through nine different translations - and have, during around 70 visits to Iraq and with the willing assistance of devout Iraqi friends, struggled through it in Arabic.
The Koran gives itself away as being "but a syncretistic amalgam [And] clearly bogus" in scores of ways. But no more efficaciously that when it first says it is "given to prove the veracity of 'all that was given before' but was misunderstood by the sects" and then -- by reducing the Immaculate Conception to "and ['God'] said 'Be' and it was" and Jesus to "the first prophet after Muhummid" -- contradicts itself, repudiates the veracity of all that was given before -- and denies the Son of God.
Yep!
But a syncretistic amalgam [And] clearly bogus!
<< Put simply, Judaism is something like a fundament of Christianity, most important standard for actual Christianity. >>
There are some who believe Christians to be but Completed Jews.
I'm very fond of that idea.
Blessings - Brian
what the heck is 770
I find this stuff fascinating. I never knew there was a Jewish sect that eschewed the Talmud.
As for the Rabbi, I'm sure he was a fine fella....dang, he sure lived a long time.
How long did the Rebbe live? ...he was old as the hills too I think
The Torah is really just the books of Moses is it not?
The rest of the Old Covenant and Maccabees is called the Prophets and the Writings and that by Moses is The Law or Torah.
That was always what I was told.
and I was told there are two Talmuds. (Hebrew and Babylonian (aramaic))
do the Karaites reject the Hebrew Talmud too?
They have done so on many occasions.
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Chabad International headquarters in Brooklyn, NY
Perhaps she should have met him while he was alive:
Kaduri was involved in the removal of at least 20 dybbuks, lost souls that stray into the hapless bodies of living people to torment them.
Hmmmm. That might explain a lot about Madonna.
"The Torah is really just the books of Moses is it not?"
Technically, yes, but if you read the works of Gershom Sholem, deceased professor at Hebrew University, Jerusalem, you'll see it used in a broader application, applying it sometimes to include Talmud and Kabbalah. I strongly reject such usage, but I'm just giving this as an example.
Karaites reject both Talmuds, Jerusalem and Babylonian. They believe in the Bible only.
RIP, Rabbi Kaduri.
by all means
In the time of Jesus, there was a split between the Talmudic Israelites (whose religious leaders where the Pharisees) and Israelites who did not concede legitimacy to the Talmud. The latter included the Sadducees, the Zealots, and the Essenes
The Pharisees became dominant, and defined "Jewish" to mean Israelites who grant validity to the Talmud
Also there are Israelites who reject books later than five books of Moses, they are called Samaritans and there are two villages still surviving. They are the actual Israelites, the others are Judeans.
Catholics are not considered Christian by many Evangelical Christians. By the Evangelical's standards, that it correct. When you go by the Evangelicals' definition of what is Christianity, that is.
Similarly, of course a Rabbinic Jew would not define a non-Talmudic Jew is being Jewish
The Orthodox rabbis will keep company with a Reform rabbi, because the Reform rabbi does not deny the Talmud, he simply does not think it is as applicable to the modern world as it used to be. This does not undermine the authority of the Orthodox rabbi
The Karaites, in rejecting the Talmud, reject the authority of the rabbis
Karaism, which rejects only the Oral Law and rabbinic halacha, is much closer to Orthodox Judaism than Reform is.
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