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1 posted on 01/29/2006 2:24:47 AM PST by mal
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Ping.


2 posted on 01/29/2006 2:27:25 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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"In 2002 the New York Times published a photograph of Palestinian suicide bombers all dressed up and ready to blow, and captioned it "Hamas activists." Take my advice and try not to be standing too near the Hamas activist when he activates himself."


3 posted on 01/29/2006 2:37:20 AM PST by bahblahbah
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The only way to convince these folks is to turn the Palestinian territories into Dresden. Then, maybe, they will change their tune.


5 posted on 01/29/2006 2:45:24 AM PST by Bon mots
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I have a camo ribbon that says "Land of the Free because of the Brave".


6 posted on 01/29/2006 2:46:38 AM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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Merciless. CNN kept harping on Hamas' humanitarian activities...the day care centers (for those too young to strap on bombs), health clinics, etc.. Steyn doesn't leave the MSM a fig leaf.


7 posted on 01/29/2006 2:50:11 AM PST by hershey
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The only people surprised by the Hamas victory, are those who refused to see the Palestinian celebrations after 911, for what they actually were.
13 posted on 01/29/2006 3:46:31 AM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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As is the way, many in the West rushed to rationalize the victory. The media have long been reluctant to damn the excitable lads as terrorists. In 2002 the New York Times published a photograph of Palestinian suicide bombers all dressed up and ready to blow, and captioned it "Hamas activists." Take my advice and try not to be standing too near the Hamas activist when he activates himself.


14 posted on 01/29/2006 3:54:21 AM PST by SkyPilot
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If you're opposed to the mission, if you don't want to see it through, if you're supporting a position whose success would only demoralize those serving in Iraq and negate their sacrifice, in what sense do you "support the troops"?
I know "liberals" ("Americans") who have either openly said to me or at least implied that every time an American soldier dies it is sad for that soldier and his family but in the long run it is a good thing.
19 posted on 01/29/2006 5:03:55 AM PST by samtheman
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As ever, Steyn is on his game. I agree about open enemies and those yellow ribbons. Yellow still says coward to me and it is most definitely what Americans are NOT.

Now I have that silly Tony Orlando and Dawn song in my head - a pox on their heads too.


20 posted on 01/29/2006 5:23:25 AM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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and the cold hard truth of that is something Europeans and Americans will find hard to avoid

For once I have to disagree with Mark Steyn.

One should never ever underestimate the Left's ability to avoid seeing the obvious.

I listened to the Swedish counterpart of the Sunday Morning Shows (Radio only). During the first half hour two elections were discussed: the Palestinian election that resulted in a huge win for Hamas, and the election of a judge for Supreme Court, which looks like it will end with confirmation of Judge Alito.

One of these elections was interesting, opened up new possibilities, and also carried some risks, but was definitely a victory for democracy, the other election could turn into a catastrophe, something that would deny the rights of whole sections of the society, a victory for the extremists, and something that in the end could threaten democracy.

I think you can guess which development could be carachterized as a victory for the extremists?

21 posted on 01/29/2006 5:32:09 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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BTTT


23 posted on 01/29/2006 6:20:26 AM PST by Gritty (“Palestinians are so depraved they're electing candidates on the basis of child sacrifice-Mark Steyn)
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As with Joel Stein, you're always better off knowing what people honestly think.

ITA.

I <3 Mark Steyn!

25 posted on 01/29/2006 6:49:27 AM PST by lawgirl (She's more fun than Colorado and more far out than Maine.....)
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It's too good not to post here in its entirety.

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST


I was at a county fair in New Hampshire last summer and stopped by the National Guard tent. They had those "Support Our Troops" ribbon stickers for sale -- one on a Stars-and-Stripes background, one of them just plain yellow. I've never liked the whole yellow-ribbon thing: It's too victimological, too passive, too enervated. One of the distinctive features of that immediate post-9/11 moment of near national unity was the blessed absence of yellow ribbons. It would have been the wrong symbol for an America full of righteous anger.

But four years on, and there are "Support Our Troops" yellow ribbons a-plenty. "What's the idea behind that?" I asked the National Guardsman manning the display.

"Well," he said, "a lot of people don't support the war and they aren't comfortable with the flag-colored ribbon but they support the troops."

It seemed to me unlikely that people who were uncomfortable with the national flag were likely in any meaningful sense to be supportive of the national army. But a couple of weeks later, driving past a house in Hanover, N.H., I saw an even sillier qualification: "Support Our Troops. Bring Them Home Now" -- so they can sit around the barracks feeling like losers until they're needed for some hurricane-relief operation.

Joel Stein (no relation) of the Los Angeles Times took a lot of heat last week for coming right out with it and saying that he didn't support the troops and that it was a humbug phrase that he and his anti-war comrades shouldn't have to use as cover for their position. Good for him. He's right. It's empty and pusillanimous, the Iraq war's version of "But some of my best friends are Jewish . . ." If you're opposed to the mission, if you don't want to see it through, if you're supporting a position whose success would only demoralize those serving in Iraq and negate their sacrifice, in what sense do you "support the troops"? Stein ought to be congratulated for acknowledging that he doesn't. We armchair warmongers are routinely derided as "chickenhawks," but Stein is a hawkish chicken, disdaining the weasel formulation too many anti-war folks take refuge in.

The Palestinian elections were similarly clarifying. The old guard -- Yasser Arafat's Fatah cronies -- had their own take on the "But some of my best friends are Jewish" routine. For years they insisted, at least in the presence of Americans and Europeans, that they were in favor of a "two-state solution" -- Israel and Palestine living side by side -- at the same time as they supported and glorified and financially subsidized suicide bombers and other terrorists. Insofar as their enthusiasm for a two-state solution was genuine, it was as an intermediate stage en route to a one-state solution.

Hamas, by contrast, takes a Joel Stein view: Why the hell should we have to go tippy-toeing around some sissy phrase we don't really mean? Hamas doesn't support a two-state solution, it supports the liquidation of one state and its replacement by other, and they don't see why they should have to pretend otherwise. And in last week's elections for the Palestinian Authority they romped home. It was a landslide.

As is the way, many in the West rushed to rationalize the victory. The media have long been reluctant to damn the excitable lads as terrorists. In 2002 the New York Times published a photograph of Palestinian suicide bombers all dressed up and ready to blow, and captioned it "Hamas activists." Take my advice and try not to be standing too near the Hamas activist when he activates himself.

Oh, no no no, some analysts assured us. The Palestinians didn't vote for Hamas because of the policy plank about obliterating the state of Israel but because Fatah is hopelessly corrupt. Which is true: The European Union's bankrolled the Palestinian Authority since its creation and Yasser and his buddies salted most of the dough away in their Swiss bank accounts and used the loose change to fund the intifada. After 10 years you can't blame the Palestinians for figuring it's time to give another group of people a chance to siphon off all that EU booty.

So I'd like to believe this was a vote for getting rid of corruption rather than getting rid of Jews. But that's hard to square with some of the newly elected legislators. For example, Mariam Farahat, a mother of three, was elected in Gaza. She used to be a mother of six but three of her sons self-detonated on suicide missions against Israel. She's a household name to Palestinians, known as Um Nidal -- Mother of the Struggle -- and, at the rate she's getting through her kids, the Struggle's all she'll be Mother of. She's famous for a Hamas recruitment video in which she shows her 17-year-old son how to kill Israelis and then tells him not to come back. It's the Hamas version of 42nd Street: You're going out there a youngster but you've got to come back in small pieces.

It may be that she stood for parliament because she's got a yen to be junior transport minister or deputy secretary of fisheries. But it seems more likely that she and her Hamas colleagues were elected because this is who the Palestinian people are, this is what they believe. The Palestinians are the most comprehensively wrecked people on the face of the earth: After 60 years as U.N. "refugees," they're now so depraved they're electing candidates on the basis of child sacrifice. To take two contemporaneous crises, imagine if the population displacements caused by the end of the Second World War and by the partition of British India had also been left to the U.N. to manage and six decades later they were still running the "refugee" "camps," now full of grandchildren and great-grandchildren, none of whom had ever lived in any of the places they're supposed to be refugees from. Would you wish that fate on post-war Central Europe or the Indian subcontinent?

So what happens now? Either Hamas forms a government and decides that operating highway departments and sewer systems is what it really wants to do with itself. Or, like Arafat, it figures that it has no interest in government except as a useful front for terrorist operations. If it's the former, all well and good: Many first-rate terror organizations have managed to convert themselves to third-rate national-liberation governments. But, if it's the latter, that too is useful: Hamas is the honest expression of the will of the Palestinian electorate, and the cold hard truth of that is something Europeans and Americans will find hard to avoid.

As with Joel Stein, you're always better off knowing what people honestly think. For decades, the Middle East's dictators justified themselves to Washington as a restraint on the baser urges of their citizens, but in the end they only incubated worse pathologies. Western subsidy of Arafatistan is merely the latest example. Democracy in the Middle East is not always pretty, but it's better than the West's sillier illusions.

27 posted on 01/29/2006 7:12:49 AM PST by Dog Gone
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For decades, the Middle East's dictators justified themselves to Washington as a restraint on the baser urges of their citizens, but in the end they only incubated worse pathologies. Western subsidy of Arafatistan is merely the latest example. Democracy in the Middle East is not always pretty, but it's better than the West's sillier illusions.

Well said, Mr. Steyn.

30 posted on 01/29/2006 7:59:06 AM PST by SuzyQue
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It seemed to me unlikely that people who were uncomfortable with the national flag were likely in any meaningful sense to be supportive of the national army.

Exactly. Typical lib wanting to have it both ways. I support the troops, but hate what they do. Abortion should be legal and rare. Fiscal discipline, except for social programs. Freedom of speech,unless you disagree with me. Guns are ok, as long as they're single shot and registered and for target shooting only.

31 posted on 01/29/2006 8:11:11 AM PST by FlyVet (Our corrupt politicians are better than their corrupt politicians.)
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Just in case ya'll are curious Mark is Catholic same as his Belgian mother but is Jewish via his father. "Yiddishe kopf"


35 posted on 01/29/2006 8:42:55 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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bump


36 posted on 01/29/2006 8:47:47 AM PST by VOA
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To sit and watch with your mouth agape, all must watch this weekend's McLaughlin Group.

Ignoring here Buchanan's usual ant Israeli screeds (someone should tell him Sharon is out of the equation) and Clift's reflex Leftist idiocy, you've got to see McLaughlin put up pictures of one after another after another of Hamas's leaders, portray them as educated people, and call them all- except one- "moderates".


37 posted on 01/29/2006 9:52:13 AM PST by Sabramerican
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Steyn is right. Who here believes that the Palies could run a successful state even if all the Israelis went back to Europe? These people are pathetic losers. And what a great mother is Mother Nidal of the suicide bombers. "Hey boys, go out and blow yourselves up!" Gee, thanks mom for the encouragement". A nation of homicidal basket cases.


41 posted on 01/29/2006 10:36:18 AM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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For decades, the Middle East's dictators justified themselves to Washington as a restraint on the baser urges of their citizens, but in the end they only incubated worse pathologies.

And they're still justifying and incubating with American taxpayer dollars falling out of their turbans.

42 posted on 01/29/2006 10:38:08 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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