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The Labor Shortage Hoax
AmericanEconomicAlert.org ^ | Friday, January 27, 2006 | Alan Tonelson

Posted on 01/28/2006 9:28:18 AM PST by Willie Green

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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"... you've put up all kinds of statistics I've seen a million times and they have been repudiated over and over by real experts..."

How about that, a million times!   If it were just say, 957,265 times I wouldn't be concerned but a million is down right serious.  This is important.  If I've been wrong a thousand times every day for the past three years then this has got to stop!  

I'm grateful that you've been willing to research all million of my erroneous posts, and I'd ask you to give me say, one example --but we really need to stay on topic.  Please tell me why you say "corporations are packing up" --especially when America's got more corporations now than ever before?

81 posted on 01/28/2006 1:57:11 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: dakine
Ah, it comes out...the entitlement attitude....

Well if you think people shouldn't be fairly compensated for their work but instead the government should force them, no matter their education level to compete with those who make .50 an hour then Free Trade's for you.

82 posted on 01/28/2006 1:58:28 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
There's plenty of links available, they've been posted a million times.

Well, a million might be stretching it a little, but if one removes those that point to a lefty website, then all of them are posted by Willie Green and point to AmericanEconomicAlert/EconomyinCrisis.org.

83 posted on 01/28/2006 1:58:57 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; Toddsterpatriot
plenty of links available, they've been posted a million times.

Hey Reag, you used that "million" on me and now you're using it to impress Todd.

Aw hell.  I'll bet you say "million" to all the guys!

84 posted on 01/28/2006 2:05:53 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
There's plenty of links available, they've been posted a million times.

Funny that you don't have any handy.

then dump their products back in tariff free.

Damn those companies for making low priced goods consumers want to buy. Damn them all to hell!! LOL.

It's kind of like welfare, you know, increase their bottom lines at everyone else's expense.

Making a product and selling it for a profit is exactly like welfare. Boy, you sure hit that nail on the head.

85 posted on 01/28/2006 2:07:35 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: expat_panama
I'm grateful that you've been willing to research all million of my erroneous posts,

Do you have some sort victim complex, no one mentioned anything about "erroneous posts". You did however put up statistics, if you want to call them that which show a bunch of charts that anyone with Excel could have made.

There are thousands of examples of real people who have seen their wages plummet while others have had to train their cheaper replacements. Again it's about those export jobs, import people policies, aka as the "willing worker, willing employer" line.

Many post on this site. I tend to believe them rather than generic charts that any third grader could have made up.

86 posted on 01/28/2006 2:08:43 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Damn those companies for making low priced goods consumers want to buy. Damn them all to hell!! LOL.

Low priced goods, you're right that's a laugh. Come to our local Walmarts, you'll find Chinese goods that cost as much or more than those made in the states. And no I don't buy them if possible, they're junk. I look for American made.

87 posted on 01/28/2006 2:10:58 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: expat_panama
Unfortunately, just like my hero, Ronald Reagan, Reaganwuzthebest is also suffering from Alzheimer's.
88 posted on 01/28/2006 2:11:50 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: 1rudeboy
Well, a million might be stretching it a little,

Ok how about 999,999 times? Or 100, whatever. They're out there but Free Traders wouldn't read them anyway, it's not good publicity and might upset the plan. :)

89 posted on 01/28/2006 2:14:52 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Low priced goods, you're right that's a laugh.

That's right, PCs, TVs and DVD players get more expensive every time I turn around.

Come to our local Walmarts, you'll find Chinese goods that cost as much or more than those made in the states.

Are all the goods at WalMart made in China?

And no I don't buy them if possible, they're junk. I look for American made.

Good for you. Everyone should be able to decide which goods they want to buy.

90 posted on 01/28/2006 2:16:25 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Good for you. Everyone should be able to decide which goods they want to buy.

You're right, the government should setup trade policies that encourage companies to dump Americans, move to China then make the same products using .50 labor then ship those products back in at the same price they sold them when they were making them here. Seriously, I don't know why us anti-Free Traders don't get with the program, it all sounds so intelligently thought out.

91 posted on 01/28/2006 2:22:47 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Next thing you'll be telling us some guy told you we don't make anything in America anymore.
93 posted on 01/28/2006 2:26:46 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Next thing you'll be telling us some guy told you we don't make anything in America anymore.

A few products are still made here for the time being.

94 posted on 01/28/2006 2:30:26 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"...a bunch of charts that anyone with Excel could have made.  There are thousands of examples of real people who have seen their wages plummet..."

You're absolutely right about how anyone could make the simple charts I linked-- all we have to do is copy public stats, paste, and mash the 'graph' icon.  This "thousands of examples" you mentioned could make a nice graph too --if only they existed. 

To paraphrase Mark Twain, always tell the truth, there's less you have to remember; or make up for that matter..

95 posted on 01/28/2006 2:30:33 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Where are they from, whose stats are they? As I said the word of those living in the real world who are being directly affected by current trade policies carry far more weight than charts.


96 posted on 01/28/2006 2:33:37 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
If they're not capable of creating wealth on their own to begin with like Europe, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and North America have then there's little we can do for them.

You don't know much about post WWII economic history, do you?

You seem to believe, like the Mercantilists, that the purpose of foreign trade is the enrichment of the nation, and this can be only be accomplished by a trade policy encouraging exports, which brings wealth in and discouraging imports, which wealth gold out. With all the hubris that is so typical of interventionists, the mercantilists presume to know what kinds of trade are good or bad and propose to regulate people accordingly. Even the most ardent paleoconservatives, other than Buchanan, have never been in favor of economic isolationism.

Trade does not require that someone lose. With free trade, both parties benefit. If they didn't, they wouldn't trade.

97 posted on 01/28/2006 3:08:43 PM PST by Mase
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
A few products are still made here for the time being.

And more of them than ever.

98 posted on 01/28/2006 3:19:00 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: JohnnyZ

That's exactly the type of attitude that's going to take the Republicans out and give us another 40 years of democratic/socialist rule.

The mantra that got Big Bush kicked out of office was "Saddam Hussein still has a job but I don't - at night he sleeps in a big warm bed but I don't". Maybe you forget I don't. The Pubs have some fetchin up to do. They have a lot of non-crossover voters pissed not to mention the usual cross overs. Senators are grabbing their depends right now on the immigration issue. Good reason for it "they damn well better". No amnesty. The West, Southwest, and the South have had it with this crap. I look for the Senate to follow the house like they are on skates on the immigration bill. They want to keep their damn jobs. Bush could give a shit.


99 posted on 01/28/2006 3:22:17 PM PST by Sterco
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