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Fossil Yields Surprise Kin of Crocodiles
NY Times ^ | January 26, 2006 | CARL ZIMMER

Posted on 01/26/2006 3:31:41 AM PST by Pharmboy

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To: SlowBoat407

Yeah, I need to get busy, too. Have a good afternoon.


41 posted on 01/26/2006 8:04:22 AM PST by mlc9852
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42 posted on 01/26/2006 8:07:37 AM PST by evets (God bless president Bush!)
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To: Pharmboy

I wonder what its diet would have been.


44 posted on 01/26/2006 9:16:23 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Pharmboy

Don't have that problem with this "chicken-mouth."


45 posted on 01/26/2006 9:17:28 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Pharmboy

I really hate when they evolve into an annoying kids show.

46 posted on 01/26/2006 9:19:21 AM PST by bmwcyle (We got permits, yes we DO! We got permits, how 'bout YOU?))
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To: MineralMan

Do they have that in size 38L?


47 posted on 01/26/2006 9:21:02 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: mlc9852
Kind after kind, as Genesis states.

Careful... evolution depends on kind-after-kind, too. Requires it, in fact.

As for me, I dunno how it all worked. I wasn't there. But I'm fairly certain that nothing in science threatens God. I don't think it worries him at all. So... it doesn't bug me either.

48 posted on 01/26/2006 9:24:01 AM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: mtbopfuyn
>> Yeah, I was thinking Teddy looks a lot like Jabba the Hutt.

Keen eye! I believe they are first cousins although some say they are brothers. Teddy is the black sheep of the family.

49 posted on 01/26/2006 9:52:03 AM PST by T'wit (Brokeback Mountain: the love that dare not yippie-kai-yay-kai-yea its name.)
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To: Ramius

Well, I don't consider apes to humans "kind after kind".


50 posted on 01/26/2006 9:52:47 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Well, I don't consider apes to humans "kind after kind".

No one asserts "apes" as they are now, evolved into "humans" as they are now. To say that evolution proposes that any animal gave birth to a new species one morning is distortion of the truth.

Two parents give birth to a child that is similar and related to each parent, but identical to neither one. Outward appearance is only the most obvious way to compare and contrast the differences... but outward appearance is perhaps the most wildly variable of traits. Look at how radically different the various breeds of dogs can be, for example. All were bred from original wild canines that didn't look like any of them do now.

51 posted on 01/26/2006 10:32:03 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: mlc9852

How about Eden to Chinese or African or Swedish? A european couple will not have a squirrel but nor will they have a chinese baby. Kind after kind. Kind after kind includes basic rules of genetics but it does not-- nor does it need to-- say anything about genetic variation over time. Whether given enough time the beginning and later individuals are different enough to be different "species"? Of course they could. "Species" is man's categorization, not God's.


52 posted on 01/26/2006 10:34:06 AM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Yes, but a canine is a canine. I believe humans were created as humans.


53 posted on 01/26/2006 10:35:45 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Westbrook

The age is determined by geological dat based on the sediment in which the fossil is found.

The "fleshy parts" can be very closely approximated on the basis of marks for muscle attachments on the bones.

The realtionship to other species can be roughly determined by osteological features.

Imagination, yes, but a lot of fact enters into it also.


54 posted on 01/26/2006 10:48:00 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: mlc9852
Yes, but a canine is a canine.

And both humans and apes are primates... farther removed from each other than are wolves and dogs, but people and some species of apes appear related nonetheless, with features that on the surface look more similar than a wolf does to a chihuahua... It is tempting, but not meaningful, to compare only our outward appearance.

I believe humans were created as humans.

I know you believe that... trouble is you only believe that because you want to believe you are not of the natural world but of God's, as if the natural world is not also of God. And you believe it because it was written that way by a man a long time ago in a land far away in a book not meant to be scientific. Do you believe God literally reached down and removed a rib from Adam to make Eve?

55 posted on 01/26/2006 11:05:01 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

"Do you believe God literally reached down and removed a rib from Adam to make Eve?"

Yes. Do you believe we descended from apes?


56 posted on 01/26/2006 11:29:27 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
OK - So by saying "yes" to that question you obviously have no further curiousity about the natural world. Genesis tells you all you need to know to live your life. That's fine, I guess, except you seem to want to limit the rest of us to that level of knowledge also. Does Genesis tell all scientists all they need to know about how the natural world works? Is it the one and only book needed for the study of biology, geology, botany and medicine? Has ~nothing~ of value been learned that was not known thousands of years ago in the middle east when Genesis was written?

Do you believe we descended from apes?

Modern apes? no... But you know that and you're bing deliberately obtuse. We did not descend from modern apes, but I believe we may have both come from a common ancestor that was similar, but not exactly like, that which we've become now.

57 posted on 01/26/2006 11:39:59 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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I am not being obtuse. I just haven't seen anything to convince me the Bible is wrong. What is the fundamental difference between an ape and an ape-like creature? And you know what Darwin thought about different races, right? You agree with him?
58 posted on 01/26/2006 11:49:29 AM PST by mlc9852
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What is the fundamental difference between an ape and an ape-like creature?

A line of decendency. Branches leave the main trunk of the tree different from each other.

And you know what Darwin thought about different races, right? You agree with him?

I don't know what he thought about races. Tell me.

59 posted on 01/26/2006 11:57:07 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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