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Boeing may use Antonov An-72 as platform for FCA bid
FlightInternational.com ^ | 20/01/2006 | STEPHEN TRIMBLE

Posted on 01/25/2006 10:28:11 PM PST by Paleo Conservative

Boeing may introduce a Soviet-era military transport jet as a new option for the US military's need for a new fleet of small airlifters, the airframer told Flight International in Washington, DC yesterday.

The Antonov An-72, a 70-seat jet with over-wing-mounted engines (pictured below in Aeroflot livery), is one of the options Boeing is considering to enter the US Army's pending Future Cargo Aircraft (FCA) competition, says George Muellner, Boeing vice president for Air Force Systems.

A Boeing evaluation team has visited Antonov headquarters in Kiev, the Ukraine, and both companies remain in active discussions, says Muellner.

The FCA competition is on hold for two months to allow army officials time to discuss blending the programme with a US Air Force requirement for a new light cargo aircraft fleet. Muellner says Boeing's plans will not be decided until the army unveils the final requirements for FCA.

As another option, Boeing also is in discussions to Alenia to join the Global Military Aircraft Systems team that plans to offer the Alenia C-27J Spartan. Raytheon and EADS CASA North America also plan to compete, offering the CASA C-295, CN-235, or both, depending on the army's final requirements.

The An-72, if Boeing were to offer it, would be the only jet-powered aircraft in the competition.

STEPHEN TRIMBLE / WASHINGTON, DC


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: an72; antonov; boeing
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To: martin_fierro
"NOW ISS SWIMWEAR! NOW ISS EEVENINKVEAR!"

ROFLMAO! Those commercials were some of the funniest ever. Anybody know where I might find them to download?

41 posted on 01/26/2006 3:04:56 AM PST by Squint
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To: gridlock
You know. your C-295 looks a lot like the old Lockheed P-3 Orion.

Actually the CN-295 is a stretched CN-235

CN-235

CN-295

43 posted on 01/26/2006 4:47:00 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering)
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To: Squint
Still, what does it say about the state of the U.S. aircraft industry when Boeing, the 800 lb. gorilla of the transport aircraft business, has to offer a Soviet-era aircraft to meet a government requirement?

That the current U.S. military requirements are the same requirements the Russians were designing to for years?

Really, that's not being sarcastic. Engineering design is driven by user requirements. The U.S. military is placing increased emphasis on rapid theater movement under austere conditions as a force multiplier, thus the emphasis on STOL performance into unimproved fields with limited TALCE support. As it turns out, the Russians already have some experience in designing in these environments.

We could (and have, in the past) design a new aircraft to meet these requirements, but it does pay to consider existing (even foreign) designs which may meet the user requirements.

44 posted on 01/26/2006 5:28:38 AM PST by Jonah Hex ("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
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To: Jonah Hex

You make some valid points.


45 posted on 01/26/2006 5:52:46 AM PST by Squint
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To: martin_fierro

LOL! Sick minds think alike.


46 posted on 01/26/2006 5:56:15 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo ("When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk!")
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To: Dashing Dasher
Them Russians sure build ugly airplanes!

You forgot to add, "after copying our technology." [chuckle]

47 posted on 01/26/2006 5:56:59 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: null and void

Also, the exhaust over the wing gives additional lift; when you drop the flaps on that sucker (which are probably HUGE) it also gives downward thrust. That airplane probably has STOL performance.


48 posted on 01/26/2006 5:59:50 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I'd like to see Americans top the AN-225.


49 posted on 01/26/2006 6:00:19 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Never refuse a breath mint.)
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To: martin_fierro

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2423865?htv=12&htv=12


50 posted on 01/26/2006 6:02:10 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Never refuse a breath mint.)
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To: Squint
Still, what does it say about the state of the U.S. aircraft industry when Boeing, the 800 lb. gorilla of the transport aircraft business, has to offer a Soviet-era aircraft to meet a government requirement?

That it is shaving a few bucks in order to win a contract?

51 posted on 01/26/2006 6:02:20 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Fierce Allegiance
There is no way that thing can fly. Post all the photos you wish, I'll never believe it . . . they are all produced by the same folks who mocked-up our moon landings.
52 posted on 01/26/2006 6:04:55 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Fierce Allegiance
I'd like to see Americans top the AN-225.

That's one big airplane! It was built, I believe, to transport the never used Soviet space shuttle Buran.

53 posted on 01/26/2006 6:08:07 AM PST by Squint
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To: 1rudeboy

Ok, yep sure!

I have a signed picture of Buzz Aldrin on the moon right over my shoulder, it must be a fake too.


54 posted on 01/26/2006 6:09:35 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Never refuse a breath mint.)
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To: Squint

It's now used for commerical heavy lift operations. History profiled it a few times on Modern Marvels, my favorite show.


55 posted on 01/26/2006 6:10:26 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Never refuse a breath mint.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
I have it on good authority that the eagle is a prop.


56 posted on 01/26/2006 6:17:09 AM PST by 1rudeboy (I know it's early, but I'm kidding-around, folks.)
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To: 1rudeboy
...the same folks who mocked-up our moon landings.

What's sad is there are quite a few people out there who actually believe there is a vast conspiracy, with thousands of participants, covering up a 35 year old event.

57 posted on 01/26/2006 6:20:14 AM PST by Squint
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To: Paleo Conservative

I seem to recall that early in the process of designing and bidding on the C-17, Boeing had an offering with the over-the-wing jet engines. Performance on short and unimproved runways was supposed to the reason for that design. The plane pictured looks like a standard aircraft with the OTW engines kludged on for experimental purposes. IMO. IRRC. YMMV.


58 posted on 01/26/2006 6:20:28 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: hattend

Thank you! I did remember correctly!


59 posted on 01/26/2006 6:21:20 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Squint
We actually had at least one bona-fide sceptic on FR, but I no longer remember who it was.
60 posted on 01/26/2006 6:21:38 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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