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Too Old To Die?: Considering Clarence Ray Allen's Last Plea for Clemency (Speed Up -- Executions?)
FindLaw · ^ | Jan. 25, 2006 | SHERRY F. COLB

Posted on 01/25/2006 4:46:01 PM PST by Former Military Chick

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The system is broken, there is no earthly reason to take over 20 years to dispense justice that happens to be the death penalty.

Voter's should be demanding this from their upcoming candidates. I mean I read so much frustration on FR about this, I would think some would spill over and folks would be getting tired of justice dragging out.

I suppose, if you do not see it, well it just is not up there with other issues but it is broken at least in California and needs to be fixed.

For the victims.

1 posted on 01/25/2006 4:46:04 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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PING


2 posted on 01/25/2006 4:47:15 PM PST by Former Military Chick (If you use FR, give to FR, it is the right thing to do.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Please put me on any pro-death penalty ping list you have. Thanks.


3 posted on 01/25/2006 4:49:13 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Former Military Chick

Hang em fast.........Hang em high ~ Bump!


4 posted on 01/25/2006 4:50:13 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Former Military Chick

As a person who lost a brother to a serial killer, I would personally volunteer to pull the trigger, flip the switch, drop the gas pellets or inject cyanide into any convicted killer.


5 posted on 01/25/2006 4:50:22 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: Former Military Chick

Agreed


6 posted on 01/25/2006 4:50:58 PM PST by SmithL (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Former Military Chick
I say one trial, one appeal, then we hang you.

And if the stupid libs want to keep it the way it is, then I don't care if a convicted felon turns 100 and goes blind, deaf, and quadriplegic waiting on death row.

Too old to be executed. Give me a break.

7 posted on 01/25/2006 4:52:38 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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I understand for his last meal he had a special meal ordered which was suitable for a diabetic.

Why? For health reasons?

;)

8 posted on 01/25/2006 4:57:49 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Things turn out best, for those who make the best of the way things turn out.--- Jack Buck (RIP))
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To: Former Military Chick

It seems pretty obvious that he wasn't too old to die afterall. Imagine that.


9 posted on 01/25/2006 4:58:22 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Former Military Chick

Saying he was too old to die is like saying someone is too fat to diet.


10 posted on 01/25/2006 4:59:55 PM PST by Hoodlum91
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You can't kill me, I'm too YOUNG to die!

You can't kill me, I'm too YOUNG to die!

You can't kill me, I'm too YOUNG to die!

You can't kill me, I'm too YOUNG to die!

You can't kill me, I'm too YOUNG to die!

Well, you sure can't kill me know, I'm TOO OLD!

11 posted on 01/25/2006 5:01:23 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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I would be interested in hearing from a FReeper in the know about why it takes so long. If I had to guess, I would say there are not enough judges, so the appeals incur long delays waiting for a judge to become available.

Whatever the cause, it is worthy of review by our legislature to begin fixing the problem. Let's start by taking measures which cut the time in half, say only 10 years!


12 posted on 01/25/2006 5:03:47 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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"Saying he was too old to die is like saying someone is too fat to diet."

Michael Moore suddenly came to mind.


13 posted on 01/25/2006 5:17:51 PM PST by WashingtonStateRepublican
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To: TheDon

How we got from "Hang 'em at sunrise" to this, I don't know. No wonder it's not an effective deterrent.


14 posted on 01/25/2006 5:24:50 PM PST by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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Well, let's see here... the case you really want to read is Gregg v. Georgia. That's the one that brought capital punishment back into existence in 1976 after Furman v. Georgia shut it down.

First of all, there's no such thing as "mandatory" capital punishment. Capital crimes are always bifurcated into a "guilt" phase, wherein it's decided whether the accused actually did the deed, and the "penalty" phase, where they decide the penalty.

Second, above and beyond all other appeals allowed, there is a mandatory appeal to the State supreme court.

Third, there are loads and loads of appeals. An appellate court can grant them as long as an issue triable on appeal is raised, and they usually will grant the appeals, simply because of how serious capital punishment is. And if it looks like the defense might be on to something, they'll push the execution back a few years.

There is another fun little factor, though: suicide. The suicide rate for death row inmates is about ten times the national average, and six times the rate of the general prison population.

15 posted on 01/25/2006 5:31:57 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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If Allen is Right, the Solution May Not Be to Stay - But Instead to Speed Up -- Executions

Yep. That's the solution all right. Put a time requirement on them.

16 posted on 01/25/2006 5:37:22 PM PST by IronJack
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17 posted on 01/25/2006 5:42:18 PM PST by devolve (<-- (-in a manner reminiscent of Senator Gasbag F. Kohnman-)
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Give me a second...I'll die on my own...I don't need your help


18 posted on 01/25/2006 5:44:03 PM PST by futurekentuckylawyer
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To: clawrence3

Happy birthday, Clarence Allen!

Here's Allen's 76th birthday photo, taken a few hours before he finally met justice. Pictured behind him is his son Roger... who was in on the original burglary that started all the trouble.

They had recruited Roger's girlfriend, but unfortunately she spilled the beans -- so she had to be "dealt with." Cyanide didn't work, so Allen had her strangled. That resulted in the original life sentence. So then he had 3 more people killed because they had testified against him, and he wanted them out of the way for the appeals phase.

Also pictured is Roger's um... current wife.

19 posted on 01/25/2006 5:54:22 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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The kid in front with his arm around Allen is a great-nephew.


20 posted on 01/25/2006 5:56:08 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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