And... if you are calling these people or organizations, I'd want to know what your conversation is about also.
It's called self-preservation.
Never forget.
Posted on 01/25/2006 1:31:25 AM PST by Mad Dawgg
It would also be the fault of anyone in authority who COULD have done something about within their constitutional autority it but DIDN'T. People in this country don't have the "freedom" to plot against it with known enemies. Get the facts before you get an opinion. These intercepts are being made outside the country, dumbass, not within the boarders. If one end leads back here, then the guilty party is the one making the connection, not the guy protecting the country. BTW, apparently you're not "vulnerable" to logic, either. The Constitution doesn't apply outside the boundaries of our country. That cuts BOTH ways. It doesn't protect us when we're overseas, and it doesn't protect the bad guys, either.
You might as well get your European citizenship now. You sound like you've steeped yourself in the weak-kneed defeatism they bathe themselves in. Even the country you're in goes against their own leadership when that leadership stands up for its own public. Make yourself at home, and be sure to renounce your US citizenship when you elect for Brit.
Sorry, but I don't see the difference between Kennedy and Matthews. Maher's as much a mincing fraud as they are. They all play loose with the truth. Scratch that, they all trample it with more elephants than Hamurabi ever dreamed of owning. They are no less impassioned than he is. His 'constiuency' happens to think he's funnier than they are. Maybe that's the only difference.
That would be a tough sell to the intelligence analysts. What makes you think that they'd go along with that?
'Well, they went along with going after Al Qaida, so it stands to reason that they'll do anything they're told...'
Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. Budgets are tight, manpower is limited, and competition is high. You can't pursue targets with no payoff, the community just doesn't think like that. (Unless, in some twist of irony, the right to lifers have a secret WMD program we need to keep an eye on)
This is just my opinion, but I think a lot of people have decided and made up their minds already without having all the facts.
I'll wait and hold judgement till I feel that I know all the facts.
Did eight years of the Clinton administration not clue you in? All of this worry about how if Bush is "allowed" to do this will mean that Hillary will get to do it too is simply silly. If she is elected she will do what she always has, collect intelligence on her enemies in what ever way she can (900 FBI files, IRS information and audits, CIA and FBI infiltrated by Clintonistas, etc. etc.).
I am concerned, right now, about keeping this country safe. To keep the democrats from abusing power, we have to keep the democrats out of office; precedents set by President Bush have no effect, one way or the other.
But it is Bush who is accused of pandering to the oil interests. Did Bin Laden delare war on the US before or after he went to Afghanistan?
Looks like we have different fears and viewpoints.
Are you aware that during WWII, we broke the German codes, listened to their messages and NEVER ASKED FOR THEIR PERMISSION?
To my amazement he was actually defending the President.
Perhaps he's realizing his former schtick wasn't working.
And for the record, I totally support the President's efforts to eavesdrop on phone and internet transmissions to and from terror suspects.
Kerry's assertion that the reason we have not been attacked is because the terrorists are doing such a good job of killing us off in Iraq is obscene.
--A question for both of you: What hard facts do you have that the POTUS is doing something wrong? [I'm trying to find out if there are facts out there that I missed.]
Thing is... if you are not someone (outside of the US) that has been identified as an al qaeda operative, or if you are not calling someone in the US that is affiliated with al qaeda, you have NOTHING to worry about. If you are, we will catch you.
LLS
And... if you are calling these people or organizations, I'd want to know what your conversation is about also.
It's called self-preservation.
Never forget.
Exactly right Aussie.
So you both are of the opinion that if Al Qaeda is in contact with an American, the U.S. has no business knowing anything about it.
Interesting.
That being said, I for one am all for tapping KNOWN terrorist calls INTO the USA.
BTW I wonder how the folks who died in the Twin Towers would feel about "tapping" terrorist phone calls?
When you undermine the ability of our government to fight the terrorists, to surveil them, you do take a portion of responsibility when that results in disaster. Like it or not.
This is not a game. Actions and words have consequences. In this case, dire consequences.
I don't like the government being able to do this.
I will like it even less once Hillary is doing it in 2009.
As it is being conducted now, it is assuring you that you have an America to come back to. If I have to deal with the Hillary issue in 2009, I'll do that. Between the domestic surviellance without court orders, FBI file thefts and the IRS Gestapo audits from Bill's administration, I don't think Hillary will be shy about abusing Presidential authority without any precedent set for her.
With the exception of Senator "Ted" Kennedy's body & ego.
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