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EVO MORALES, NEW PRESIDENT OF BOLIVIA, PRAISES COCA AND CASTRO
Miami Herald ^ | 01/24/06 | Jack Chang, Knight Ridder News Service

Posted on 01/24/2006 6:50:00 PM PST by MillerCreek

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To: MillerCreek
Wow, what insanity. You're completely crazy.

I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!

exposing drug cartels and the "leaders" they "elect" indicates someone is "an alcoholic,"

LOL!
Just regurgitated your BS right back at ya!
You alluded I'm a coke head with your previous comment...
You aren't exposing anything, we all know about the cartels. I gave you the facts of the situation in Bolivia. The facts that show why the people of Bolivia voted to get rid of the corrupt government we supported even if it meant voting for a commie.

The facts that show our drug war in South America is a total disaster. We have managed to turn people against us who actually wanted to be an ally of ours. Read the Cato report. We should be investing in South America instead of wasting our resources in the mideast and Africa.

Our stupidity will result in South America and Mexico turning communist and that will be a bigger problem for us than Islam. For what? Cocaine?
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61 posted on 01/27/2006 7:32:36 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

How do YOU know that the U.S. "drug war in South America is a total disaster"?

I'm curious as to how you can substantiate that, and why.


62 posted on 01/27/2006 7:54:55 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: mugs99

You "getting (your) chocolate" has nothing to do with cocaine and the coca farmers in Bolivia, unless you are "getting (your) chocolate" along with your cocaine. Or from the same source.


63 posted on 01/27/2006 7:55:54 PM PST by MillerCreek
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How do YOU know that the U.S. "drug war in South America is a total disaster"?

In 1982 we were told by the DEA that a drug cartel led by Pablo Escobar was responsible for the cocaine coming into the US. All we had to do, we were told, was send the DEA down to Columbia to break up Pablo's cartel. We did that. Pablo is dead and has been replaced by more cartels. Cocaine is now more plentiful and cheaper than it was when there was only one cartel.

We were then told that the DEA just needed more tools. We complied and gave them more tools and money. The result? Even more and cheaper cocaine.

We expanded to spraying the countryside with agent orange. The result? More cheaper cocaine plus the formation of rebel groups opposed to our destruction of their countryside. We sent more agents and supplies to the Columbian army to fight the rebels. The result? More cheap cocaine and a full blown revolution on our hands. We sent more money and tools. The result? More cheaper cocaine and the spread of the cartels to Peru and Bolivia.

What's the situation now? The government of Columbia is only holding power with our support. The rebels have grown to the point that Chavez is now going to send them Russian arms to fight their government and us. Bolivia has fallen to the commies and Peru is ready to surrender. Islamic terrorists now have a safe haven in Columbia to operate from. All of this thanks to a war on drugs that has not stopped the flow of cocaine.
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64 posted on 01/27/2006 10:41:08 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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And all that cocaine would not be possible without all those coca leaves being grown by all those "peasant farmers" such as Evo Morales. In Bolivia, chiefly, although it's hardly the only country responsible.


65 posted on 01/27/2006 11:22:55 PM PST by MillerCreek
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Some drug enforcement and eradication is far better than none. I've yet to ever encounter any bureaucracy that did not experience waste and fraud and mismanagement. But it's failure of humanity not failure of some distant thing called the bureaucracy itself.

With any effort involving drugs, sex and money, there are inevitable aggresses upon the ethics involved, if not outright horrid violations of decency and human life. Something as complex an operation as the DEA approaches the spanse of the military, certainly a paramilitary operation. I can understand that it would be rife with problems.

However, I find it completely objectionable to demean the United States for engaging in anti-drug measures, attempting, nearly, the impossible. We made it to the moon, almost to mars, as a species, we can eventually accomplish reasonable things as to smugglers, "druggies" and murderous cartels.

The worst offense I find is the willingness by some here to blame not only the United States for a generalized "drug problem" while alleging that those who produce and traffic in drugs are aimless, simple cultures or whatever. They grow and produce narcotics, they who do are responsible for their deeds just as individually those who fall victim to using the drugs. But the blame first rests to my view on those who produce the drugs and traffic them. Rid the world of those, you rid the world of most if not all narcotics given their agricultural root.

South America not only replaced "Pablo," but it also is far more populated now than it was when he had his nasty rule there. More people equals more of everything, more bad deeds, more drugs being grown by more people, more cocaine being produced on more land by more cartels. We also have more people in the United States and worldwide. Among those, we have more who abuse/use drugs. More people worldwide equates with more of everthing human and related.

The DEA and the U.S. hardly made that happen. The "blame the U.S." methodology aids and assists those who assume no responsibility for harming others, including the U.S., and at least after 09/11, some people do now recognize the complicity between narcotics and terrorism. Terrorism relies on funding sources and narcotics rely on terrorism to sell their product. Thus, a marriage made in Hell. In which Bolivia is inherently involved.


66 posted on 01/27/2006 11:34:47 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: odoso; animoveritas; Laissez-faire capitalist; bellevuesbest; Unam Sanctam; EdReform; Antoninus; ...
Moral Absolutes Ping List.

DISCUSSION ABOUT: Bolivia, Evo Morales, Cocaine, Castro and Terrorism

This thread was not originally intended for the "moral absolutes" area of discussion, but it has taken a turn into a moral one, with a few persons arguing the moral relativism of the "unblamable drug cartels" while attempting to also blame the United States for the use of drugs -- which, in my view, fulfills the best hopes of the cartels themselves: "that the U.S. is inherently bad and the poor peasants are right and good to uprise and conquer the evil U.S."

I paraphrase but am quite concerned about the issue of narco terrorism. And that South and Central America are emerging as the second home to Hamas, with a partnership between politico-terrorists and narco-terrorists certainly underway.

Sadly, some on this thread reduced the issue to the argument that they want their "chocolate" and the rest, "why care".

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67 posted on 01/27/2006 11:42:36 PM PST by MillerCreek
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Oh, so now *I* am responsible for "turning Mexico and South America communist"?

Are you eve familiar with history? They've been communist far longer than even **I** have been alive, much less educated to any point to be able to write my opinions.

Try something intelligent. I'm still waiting to read something that is from you.


68 posted on 01/28/2006 12:24:45 AM PST by MillerCreek
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Very nice mugs. I forgot to ping you to this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1566302/posts

It's about the segment that 60 Minutes is doing on Richard Paey this Sunday.


69 posted on 01/28/2006 1:57:50 AM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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Oh, so now *I* am responsible for "turning Mexico and South America communist"?

Are you the government? Do you work for the DEA? We are all responsible!
Let's kick it up a notch to put things in perspective.

Alcohol is an illegal dangerous drug in many countries, such as Saudi Arabia. Beer smuggling there is punished as severly as cocaine smuggling here. The Saudi's inform our government that they will not allow us to purchase Saudi oil unless we stop brewing beer. Our president announces to us that beer brewing is now prohibited and Saudi aircraft begin spraying weed killer on hops farms in Idaho.
How would you feel about that?

Are you eve familiar with history? They've been communist far longer than even **I** have been alive,

That just shows you're a kid. They weren't communist when I worked for an American oil company in South America...but that was before the War on Drugs.

Try something intelligent. I'm still waiting to read something that is from you.

LOL!
Is that the best you can do?
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70 posted on 01/28/2006 11:55:46 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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Thanks!


71 posted on 01/28/2006 12:15:32 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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Oh, so NOW I'm "a kid" because you want your chocolate and think Bolivians are harmless in the cocaine narco business?

You are still insane.


72 posted on 01/29/2006 10:31:36 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: mugs99

And you still haven't read the article that this thread was intended upon, have you?


73 posted on 01/29/2006 10:32:29 AM PST by MillerCreek
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Why have you maligned the thread and yet contributed nothing more than nasty malignments here? You have not read the article, you've forced some sort of word pugalism based upon your wants and needs for "chocolate" and yet don't recognize this thread isn't even about "chocolate" nor about your work experience anywhere.

It's about Evo Morales, narco terrorism and the nation of Bolivia.

Unless you are Evo Morales, your desire for a ready supply of chocolate and other negative and irrational statements about me have nothing to do with the thread.


74 posted on 01/29/2006 10:56:59 AM PST by MillerCreek
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