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Kremlin is fastest-growing part of economy
Kansas City Star ^ | Jan. 22, 2006 | ALEX RODRIGUEZ

Posted on 01/23/2006 4:48:48 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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1 posted on 01/23/2006 4:48:49 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; jb6; Romanov; GarySpFc; RusIvan; x5452

"Under Putin's stewardship, Russia is gradually putting the Kremlin in control of everything that matters: energy, the economy, politics and the media.... The most significant of those deals involved the acquisition of Russian oil major Sibneft by state-owned Gazprom, the world's largest natural gas producer. "

Wait till Oil goes back to the $20's

BWAHAHAAHAHA - Russia will go bankrupt again like in '91.


2 posted on 01/23/2006 5:45:33 PM PST by spanalot
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To: Angus MacGregor; lizol

ping


3 posted on 01/23/2006 6:00:26 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot

You seriously see oil going to 20$ a barrel?

You either have information regarding a planned nuclear bomb on China, or you've lost your mind.


4 posted on 01/23/2006 6:02:10 PM PST by x5452
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To: spanalot

And that won't affect Ukraine? You really shouldn't be cheerleading for the demise of Russia - as it goes so does the region. That's bad for all concerned. But, your blind hatred of Russia doesn't allow you to see these potential consequences. You, like your Russian nationalist counterparts, get gleeful over bad news - they get joyous over bad news from Ukraine and you from bad news about Russia. The shame is you don't even see where it's heading and who will actually get hurt from it.


5 posted on 01/23/2006 6:02:32 PM PST by Romanov
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To: x5452

"You seriously see oil going to 20$ a barrel?

You either have information regarding a planned nuclear bomb on China, or you've lost your mind."

1) natural gas was down 7% today as China announced an increase in production by 10%.

2) we don't need $20 oil to bankrupt Putie - $40 will bankrupt Kremlin Inc.


6 posted on 01/23/2006 6:11:34 PM PST by spanalot
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To: Romanov

"And that won't affect Ukraine? You really shouldn't be cheerleading for the demise of Russia"

Thats like saying Jews should not applaud the death of Hitler.


7 posted on 01/23/2006 6:13:18 PM PST by spanalot
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Then why is a large portion of Gazprom being sold, and foreign investors being allowed to purchase shares?

Also the article is inaccurate. The price of gas for the Ukraine was $50, and they were getting $1.00 for transit fees. Russia offered the gas for $160, but also offered to increase the transit fees to $1.60 to offset the increase. However, the Russians wanted a strict accounting of the gas at both ends of the pipeline, and that was unacceptable to the Ukranian oligarchs, because they have been siphoning off gas for years, and selling it at market prices to the EU.

The Ukranian DEMANDED transit fees of $3.00, which would give them Russian gas for free and then some. It was at that time Russia upped the price to #230, and the Ukraine balked. Finally, the Ukraine agreed to purchase gas from Turkmen and Russia, mix the gas for a final price of $95, but Russia also raised the transit fees to $1.60 to help offset the increased cost. However, there will be a strict accounting of gas at both ends of the pipeline. BTW, the Ukraine has admitted siphoning off gas for 3 year period, and there is an audit being taken for the final settlement.
8 posted on 01/23/2006 6:14:22 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: spanalot

Unless China and India get turned into a parking lot demand for oil isn't going away.

The US could stop buying any oil from Russia and cease all Getty stations and Russia would still have two high paying customers keeping oil prices high.


9 posted on 01/23/2006 6:23:11 PM PST by x5452
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To: spanalot

"Thats like saying Jews should not applaud the death of Hitler."

Amazing the gall of you. I'm sure Jews don't see the so-called plight of modern Ukraine v. Russia as the same horrible experience that they went through. Especially since the Holocaust wasn't carried out with the cooperation of their fellow Jews (as were the atrocities in Ukraine : See Khrushchev and the Ukrainian Troikas in Kiev during the Famine).


10 posted on 01/23/2006 6:24:40 PM PST by Romanov
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To: Romanov

Some Jews helped carry out the holocaust. They called them "Kapos."


11 posted on 01/23/2006 6:31:17 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: GarySpFc

"Also the article is inaccurate"

Hah - why do you write about $240 "market prices" when Russia buys it for $50 from Turkmanistan where Ukraine had a legal contract to do the same before Putie turned it off.


12 posted on 01/23/2006 6:33:01 PM PST by spanalot
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The difference between Kapos and what I am talking about is Ukrainians actually had a hand in the policy of enforced famine on Ukraine AND Southern Russia (that region gets forgotten about on here). There were Ukrainian "Kapos", if you will - the ones who executed people on the orders of the Ukrainian Communist party leaders (such as Khrushchev). BIG Difference. Last time I checked there weren't any Jews involved in the "Final Solution" policy making.


13 posted on 01/23/2006 6:35:15 PM PST by Romanov
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To: Romanov

"the so-called plight of modern Ukraine v. Russia "

Is this what you call the deaths of 15 million Ukrainians in 1921, 1932, and 1947. You are beneath contempt and what are you doing on this site besides being an apologist for Putin.


14 posted on 01/23/2006 6:35:28 PM PST by spanalot
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To: Romanov

"Ukrainians actually had a hand in the policy of enforced famine on Ukraine "

Are you so deluded that you really believe Ukrainians committed mass suicide? And Yushchenko poisoned himself, right?


15 posted on 01/23/2006 6:36:54 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot
Hah - why do you write about $240 "market prices" when Russia buys it for $50 from Turkmanistan where Ukraine had a legal contract to do the same before Putie turned it off.

You're dreaming, I never once mentioned a $240 contract. The Ukraine is going to get their gas from the Turkmen for that price, but it is being mixed with the Russian gas, and the final price is $95.
16 posted on 01/23/2006 6:37:21 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: spanalot

Yawn - see the previous posts on this and other threads. The famine and genocide of Ukrainians was carried out by SOVIETS, i.e., Ukranians, Russians, etc. Do you deny the Ukrainian Communist Party leader's (Khrushchev) role in the purges and famine in Ukraine?


17 posted on 01/23/2006 6:37:42 PM PST by Romanov
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To: Romanov

Krushchev was not Ukrainian.
You seem to have a problem with reality.

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:IUge20glEYQJ:www.britannica.com/eb/article-42065+%22Khrushchev+was+russian%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

So when will you share your insights on the 12000 Russian Viet Nam vets you interviewed over the course of 6 years.


18 posted on 01/23/2006 6:53:20 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot

"Born a Ukrainian peasant, Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev joined the Communist party in 1918 and rose through the ranks to become a member of its central committee by 1934. He had a close connection to Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, and after Stalin's death Khrushchev emerged as the new leader. In 1956 he began to denounce the policies of Stalin and attempted to ease relations with the United States (in 1959 he toured the U.S. and met with President Eisenhower). When a U.S. spy plane was shot down over Russia the next year, Khrushchev became more belligerent. He also grabbed the attention of the world by pounding his shoe on the conference table at the United Nations. In 1962 he was forced to back down to President John F. Kennedy over the placement of Soviet missiles in Cuba. Further domestic and foreign relations disasters led to his replacement in 1964 by Leonid Brezhnev."


19 posted on 01/23/2006 6:57:19 PM PST by Romanov
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To: Romanov

My Britannica trumps your answers.com


20 posted on 01/23/2006 7:01:24 PM PST by spanalot
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