Posted on 01/22/2006 4:28:17 AM PST by PatrickHenry
>It was phrased poorly.
No. It wasn't just phrased poorly. The sentence was not a complete thought. It was neither an interrogative sentence, in which an answer to it is expected, nor a declarative one, in which some feedback is expected.
I will find the links and if found will post them here. But I doubt that even when presented with the truth you'll accept it. I think your mind is made up that Darwin did not recant, and mine is made up (based on historical facts) that he did, in fact, recant his evolution theory.
Neither of us was present at his death bed when he denied evolution and thought of it as simply speculation. So, we'll have to go by what witnesses say happened. If there as been no revision, evidence will prove that Darwin recanted his pet theory.
I think those links will suffice if they're extensive enough. What do you think?
If not, we'll see what more evidence we can find to confirm or deny the recanting.
Good night for now.
So do you believe in evolution or not? It's hard to tell from your post.
LOL. You know it's really bad karma to be the grammar/spelling/thread cop.
Especially when you throw claims out there that have been refuted with actual documentation, but refuse to provide your own.
Please forgive the extraneous use of the word "that" after the second comma in that which you quoted back to me.
So where, specifically, does your information come from?
I too want to know.
TheBrotherhood's claims have been thoroughly debunked, even by creationist sources. And yet he still claims that they are true.
What evidence do you possess, TheBrotherhood, that proves true an assertion even other creationists admit is a lie?
According to historical records Lady Hope was the only person to whom he recanted his theory of evolution.
"Which makes her claims all the more dubious when put against the testimony of his family and friends who said it never happened."
Family and friends were not present, from what I read.
"Family and friends were not present, from what I read."
You read wrong. Please provide your sources. Why would this woman be present at his death, but not his family? Why would anybody take the word of this woman over his own children? Darwin's wife (she was devout), who never left their estate without Darwin, was at his bedside when he died, as were his children. She would have LOVED for Darwin to have turned to Christianity on his deathbed, and would not have hesitated to say so. She never mentioned it at all.
There is no mention of ANY hesitation in his beliefs in any of his letters, private writings, and so on. The burden of proof is on YOU to provide ANYTHING tangible. So far you have done nothing of the sort.
Lady Hope lied, and most creationist organizations warn people not to use this story anymore.
Here's a source you should consider:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i1/darwin_recant.asp
"Family and friends were not present at the time Darwin recanted, from what I read."
I thought that was understood. I mean, if family and friends were not privy to this disavowal, it's because they must have not have been present at the time. I think it makes sense, doncha agree?
Regarding the recant, however, this pro evolution author whitewashes the true facts and states that "He [Darwin] merely is said to have expressed concern over the fate of his youthful speculations and to have spoken in favour of a few people's attending a religious meeting."
I cannot believe you are trying to spread this on another thread...did you actually read or comprehend any sites that were provided to you for further study on the matter of Darwins recant...
A brief recap...Lady Hope, a well known evangelist of the time, claimed that she visited Darwin, on his deathbed, and at that time he recanted...Darwins daughter was there, and she states, categorically, that no Lady Hope ever visited Darwin in his deathbed....Darwins daughter doubted whether Lady Hope had ever been to their house...
But a 20yr biographer of Darwin states, that its possible Lady Hope did visit Darwin, but that would have been 6 months earlier, and at a time when Darwins daughter was not there...however, Darwins wife was there....and at this time, Darwin was NOT on his deathbed, as is claimed by Lady Hope...he was up and about....also Lady Hope makes a distinct claim that there were about 30 people gather INSIDE of the summer house on Darwins property...the fact is, the summer house is so small, its a physical impossibility that all 30 people were in the summer house, unless, of course, they were laying on top of one another...
And Darwins wife, worried all her life, about how her husbands theories and ideas were perceived by the Church and by other Christian folk...it would have been to her great advantage to go along with Lady Hopes story...yet she did not...
Lady Hope herself, was a well known evangelist, and also know to be a spinner of yarns...she was encouraged to spin this tale of her ability to get Darwin to recant...why?...one can only guess...perhaps for another notch in her 'conversion belt...perhaps to add more drama to her tent services, by declaring how she, Lady Hope, got the biggest non-believer to 'believe'...what better way to fill the money coffers...
Whatever one believes of the theory of evolution, one should at least be open to the truth of what Darwin did or did not say as he lay dying...one thing is known for sure..Lady Hope was not with Charles Darwin when he died...
You know, there was a creationist on one of these threads, a while back, who absolutely insisted, and insisted that Darwin recanted...when I tried to ascertain where this info had come from and what were the facts they were using, this person just got angry, said, "Well, someone told me that, long ago"....this person refused to research the matter, what little matter she did read, she failed to comprehend, and then she just got angry, and said, "No matter what the research shows, I am just going to believe what I was told, by someone(she never would tell us who), long ago, and you can wait till you are blue in the face, I will never disbelieve that Darwin recanted"...(or words to that effect)...such hiding of ones head in the sand, never leads to learning the facts...
I sure hope you do more research, which incidentally does come not only from sites which support evolution, but also Christian sites, who wish to disassociate themselves, from those who continue to insist that Darwin recanted, because even these Christian sites, realize that the overwhelming evidence is that Darwin never recanted...
You are leaving out the part where EVEN LADY HOPE never said he recanted. You are ignoring the fact that I sent you to a leading CREATIONIST website. Their conclusion? It never happened. Now please, provide your sources for where he recanted. So far you haven't provided ANYTHING but hot air.
He isn't interested in the facts. I sent him to Answersingenesis, not known to be partial to Darwin, who say the story is bogus. Still he persists. Some people would rather believe a comforting lie than accept the painful truth.
I just went throught this with him on another thread...I cannot believe that people want to believe a lie...but if they want to, so be it...many people chose to go through life, never wishing to find out the truths of many matters...not a way I should wish to live, but hey, its America, believe as you wish...my objection, is when that same person spreads this lie, knowing its a lie, which is just a horrible thing to do...all we can do, is when we see someone spread this lie, is provide the facts, dispel the lie, and let the truth stand...
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