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Academic underachievers (Boys, discipline, dropouts, grades, medications, etc.)
The Washington Times ^ | January 22, 2006 | Joyce Howard Price

Posted on 01/21/2006 11:25:45 PM PST by neverdem

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To: SoftballMominVA

Don't forget OldProfessor somebody or other. Amelia is one class act though as are many here at FR.


141 posted on 01/22/2006 5:01:27 PM PST by moog
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To: moog

4 teachers, I was an art teacher until having my daughter. Taught mainly at the HS level but was also in a few elem. schools. You have to be a very, very, very patient person to teach elem. The little ones drove me bonkers!!!


142 posted on 01/22/2006 5:15:03 PM PST by kiki04 ("If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is a man who has so much as to be out of danger?" - THH)
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To: kiki04
OMG you did art? with scissors? and glue?

Brave woman you!

143 posted on 01/22/2006 5:16:47 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: kiki04

4 teachers, I was an art teacher until having my daughter. Taught mainly at the HS level but was also in a few elem. schools. You have to be a very, very, very patient person to teach elem. The little ones drove me bonkers!!!

Who said I'm patient?:) Actually, you have to be patient to be a MOM. Moms are #1 in my book and I consider it to be the highest "paying" job one could ever have. I have some good little "buggers" in my class. I'm proud of them.


144 posted on 01/22/2006 5:21:30 PM PST by moog
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To: SoftballMominVA

Tell me about it:). I like to have 4 or 5 artists come in and do something with the students. It's pretty neat to see what they come up with.


145 posted on 01/22/2006 5:22:52 PM PST by moog
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To: moog
When my older daughter was in 1st grade, she took a gallon jug of glue and poured it onto a black table and then used her hands to draw circles over and over again. When the teacher saw what she had done, she asked her "WHY?" and Jess said "It's like butterflies!" The teacher told her to get the big sponge and start cleaning up what she could until the custodian got there. Jess walked to the sink, filled the sponge with water, carried it to the table SQUEEEEEZED it all out and started playing with it again. Now the glue is EVERYWHERE and the teacher yelped and said "Jess! what is this?" She smile and said "Look! It's butterflies at night!" as she calmly continued to draw in the glue.

Go figure this poor teacher turned gray by the end of the year. I still see her from time to time and she still remembers this incident! Mind you, this is 14 years after it happened!

146 posted on 01/22/2006 5:28:48 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

Now THAT was funny. Yeah, I've had similar things happen, but ESPECIALLY to myself. You'll have the kid half-covered in black come in and say, "Teacher, the pencil sharpener stuff is all over the place." Half the time I feel like Homer Simpson banging his head. But that's all part of the beauty of teaching. They make you tear your hair out, but at the end of the year, you couldn't be more proud of them.


147 posted on 01/22/2006 5:55:11 PM PST by moog
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To: Clemenza

You have visited EVERY school? You know all about EVERY school in the entire state?

What a ridiculous statement.


148 posted on 01/22/2006 6:33:40 PM PST by Politicalmom (Must I use a sarcasm tag?)
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To: OpusatFR
"My son's third grade teacher told me she disliked little boys."

You know that makes me think of something my mom told me about when she taught primary gradeschool in the 1930s (way back). She said she always preferred the little boys. When I asked why, she said the boys were more straightforward and honest while the girls could be......catty and underhanded, I guess you might say (I can't remember her exact words, but that was the gist. How things change, eh?

149 posted on 01/22/2006 6:36:14 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: moog

Everytime I meet any kid in H.S., I tell them to "Be nice to the nerds, because you'll likely wind up working for one, someday."


150 posted on 01/22/2006 6:46:13 PM PST by wbill
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To: Desdemona
The boys don't fall behind the girls when they are not in the same classroom.

My son's middle school sent home a notice that they were going to start separating boys and girls for some classes. That was 2 years ago and I never heard another thing about it. My son has certainly never mentioned being in a class of all boys. I never think to ask what has happened with that.

151 posted on 01/22/2006 6:47:15 PM PST by Dianna
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To: wbill

Everytime I meet any kid in H.S., I tell them to "Be nice to the nerds, because you'll likely wind up working for one, someday."

Good advice. :)


152 posted on 01/22/2006 6:51:08 PM PST by moog
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To: DarkSavant
Some experiences may vary, but I've never seen a girl challenge a teacher's stance on anything, but for guys it's very common.

You hit it. I think that girls conceal their feelings better than boys. Boys are more inclined to say what's on their mind (appropriate or not....)

I'm speaking from personal experience here. One of the toughest things for me to deal with - particularly in Jr. High, but also in High School - was the realization that I was smarter than a significant % of my teachers. Being the arrogant little snot that I was, I wasn't afraid to correct them when they were wrong (often) and when I disagreed with their analysis of something (more often). Not a good way to get good grades.

I'd still like to see the English teacher that told me I'd never amount to anything. Last I knew, she was still teaching in a crummy little nowhere H.S. and was working on her 3rd divorce. Schanfreude is a guilty pleasure of mine, I guess.

153 posted on 01/22/2006 7:03:03 PM PST by wbill
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To: moog
I think a good part of the reason boys have a difficult time in school is that it is so much easier to write passive lessons. It takes little creativity to have children sitting in desks while you stand up at the front and tell them things.

It's a lot harder to plan lessons, and gather the materials necessary, which let children participate more and have something active to do.

154 posted on 01/22/2006 7:37:11 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Dianna

That's part of it all right.


155 posted on 01/22/2006 7:38:31 PM PST by moog
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To: Dianna

In college, I was often the only guy in a class (being an el ed major). It was wonderful when I was single, but not so good when I wasn't. :)


156 posted on 01/22/2006 7:40:17 PM PST by moog
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To: moog
My job is not to "influence" parents. If parents have to go elsewhere for "influence" then it's not good. ( moog)

To moog,

Well,,,,then what can I say. The behavior of the parents is not going to improve.

Sr. Margaret Victoria felt it was her DUTY to influence parents. Private schools can do this.
157 posted on 01/22/2006 7:59:04 PM PST by wintertime
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To: moog
But I do agree completely with your statement about involved parents. Make that TWO involved parents. It all starts in the home.

To moog,

If it is all due to the parents, how do you explain the wonderful parents of 5 and have one go bad? The rotten kid had the same parents as the other 4.

I have known many of these families over the years. In every case, the parents blame the friendships made in government school.

Many foolishly think that it is the child who chooses his friends. No. no. no! It is the clique who chooses the child. A clique is really a protection gang. The faddish styles are similar to "prison-gang" tattoos. They identify the clique and its participants.

It's toxic really. Thankfully humans are adaptable. Most make the transition from the toxic prison-gang survival socialization learned in schools and proceed to learn more mature and healthy social skills.
158 posted on 01/22/2006 8:06:09 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
hey, you're back. How was the rest of the show?

I'm not there to tell parents how to raise their kids. That is their job. BUT I can work WITH them to help their kids learn something and to hopefully make a positive difference in their children's lives and to have a positive experience in school. That's my approach, not saying I'm right.

HOWEVER, maybe I am there along those lines. I have said over and over and over and over again that I do work to try to convince parents on how important it is to be involved with their kids. I do especially encourage dads to be so. I MAKE SURE I compliment and THANK parents when I see them really trying and supporting their children. So yeah, maybe I do try to "influence" parents if that's the road you're going down.

But then parents like yours and you and my own didn't need to be told that. They did it on their own. Remember, I'm only saying this about myself and not about any other person. Certainly others have different approaches (and I learn from others too--if you can't learn from others, you can't learn). My concern are the ones whom I am charged with--my own students and their parents. I do love the kids and appreciate them for their efforts and also their parents. I seem to get blessed every year. Giving compliments is something we all could work on. I really do appreciate good parents and I will say that over and over again. Hope that you have a great MLK day and a great Presidents' Day. Keep up that Christmas "spirit." I hope that I can throughout the whole year. For that is really when we should remember the Savior, IS throughout the whole year and always.

Thanks again for being a good mom. Again, if I had your opportunity to raise such fine children, I would never have any need to complain about anything again.

159 posted on 01/22/2006 8:14:56 PM PST by moog
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To: wintertime
If it is all due to the parents, how do you explain the wonderful parents of 5 and have one go bad? The rotten kid had the same parents as the other 4. I have known many of these families over the years. In every case, the parents blame the friendships made in government school. Many foolishly think that it is the child who chooses his friends. No. no. no! It is the clique who chooses the child. A clique is really a protection gang. The faddish styles are similar to "prison-gang" tattoos. They identify the clique and its participants. It's toxic really. Thankfully humans are adaptable. Most make the transition from the toxic prison-gang survival socialization learned in schools and proceed to learn more mature and healthy social skills.

Getting back to the same thing again are we? :)Nice that you like to rehash it again and again. Yep, I've stated that too. Sometimes things don't turn out the way we would like them to--sure don't for me. But I do the best to learn from my experiences. Heck, even one of Ronald Reagan's sons went the "other way" so to speak. There's that thing called freeagency. After a while, we are responsible for our own choices in our lives. Sometimes we make bad ones and sometimes good. Consequences will happen with those choices. Nice to see that you ALWAYS make good choices.

160 posted on 01/22/2006 8:21:12 PM PST by moog
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