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Famed missionary martyrdom ultimately saved the assailants' tribe
AP ^ | Thu, Jan. 19, 2006 | RICHARD N. OSTLING

Posted on 01/20/2006 3:45:37 AM PST by ovrtaxt

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To: kenavi

I agree- and the violence of Columbine's got the same source, too. Demonic influence.


21 posted on 01/20/2006 3:32:40 PM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Too bad Nate Saint is played by Chad Allen:
http://www.chadallenonline.com/theater/corpuschristi.htm

But life is full of making cost/benefit decisions. If the film
honestly portrays the whole story, then it might be a decent
"break-even" situation.


22 posted on 01/20/2006 3:43:29 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA; HarleyD

Chad Allen is a very vocal homosexual rights activist.

His "testimony" on Larry King Live was terrible - he spoke of how God had given him a peace concerning his homosexuality. Mixed a lot of Buddhism and eastern mysticism in his definitions of Christianity.

http://www.christianpost.com/article/editorial/646/section/the.controversy.over.the.end.of.the.spear/1.htm

"Beyond this, Allen (whose real name is Chad Allen Lazzari) also speaks straightforwardly about his syncretistic faith, freely mixing elements of Christianity, Native American spirituality, Buddhism, etc. When I appeared with him on Larry King Live Tuesday night, I found him to be personally friendly and engaging, but I was not surprised to hear him speak of his own personal religion -- a religion that excludes God's commandments concerning sexuality. "I have a deep relationship with God of my understanding. It's very powerful, and it's taken its own shape and form. And I am very much at peace in the knowledge that in my heart God created this beautiful expression of my love," he told the CNN audience [see transcript]."


23 posted on 01/20/2006 5:40:23 PM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Good, now grab my arm. Other arm. MY other arm.")
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To: ItsOurTimeNow; VOA
"I have a deep relationship with God of my understanding. It's very powerful, and it's taken its own shape and form."

I hate to say this but this sounds about like 60% of "Christians" today.

24 posted on 01/20/2006 5:54:40 PM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Thanks for the link to the editorial by Mohler.
I'm still conflicted about buying a ticket; still don't know if I'll go.

One thing I noticed at www.endofthespear.com. When I visited last Sunday and
read the actors' bios, there was a mention of Allen's work "on "Corpus Christi".
I may have missed it...but I can't find it there now!
Maybe a bit of damage control by the film's publicist?

This reminds me of "Kindgom of Heaven". I heard the producers were calling some
Christian entertainment consultants a month or so before the release saying "Help us
with marketing our film!". Looks like after Mel Gibson's "Passion", the
biz people think you can make $$$ just by putting enough "Amens" or
crucifixes in a film.


25 posted on 01/20/2006 6:01:47 PM PST by VOA
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To: HarleyD

"I hate to say this but this sounds about like 60% of "Christians" today."

Hate to say it, but if at least 60% hit at least that level, it might be good news--
given what Barna Research has found.

http://www.family.org/fofmag/cl/a0033123.cfm


26 posted on 01/20/2006 6:05:14 PM PST by VOA
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To: randita
Before missionaries landed there, people were routinely sacrificed to please Pele.


27 posted on 01/20/2006 6:07:21 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: slipper
Go to www.endofthespear.com. Look for it by state. The movie sites don't seem to have all theaters listed.
28 posted on 01/20/2006 9:55:13 PM PST by I'm ALL Right! (Love God, Love Others.)
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To: VOA; HarleyD

"Yeah, I kinda have my own belief set" - seems to be a pretty popular trend. And why not? When you're the author of your own rules regarding all things spiritual, you can just change them as you see fit, as your feelings change.

Reminds me of the joke about the Unitarian bible - all the pages are blank so they can just make it up as they go.


29 posted on 01/21/2006 5:24:37 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Full atonement, can it be? Hallelujiah! What a savior!")
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To: Larry Lucido
So that's where he got his great skill and power.

Funny -- he doesn't look Hawaiian

30 posted on 01/21/2006 5:45:56 AM PST by Bear_Slayer
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To: twigs
She quotes from Jim Elliot's journals in her books

The journals are fascinating to read. Jim had excellent insight into God's word and an unrelenting drive to serve God. He appears as a warrior poet, and yet he remains a down-to-earth young man that struggles with his faith.

Obviously, I reccomend them.

31 posted on 01/21/2006 5:50:49 AM PST by Bear_Slayer
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To: ovrtaxt
Here's some other info about it at Internet Movie Database.
32 posted on 01/21/2006 6:04:50 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: ovrtaxt
Mincaye said his heart "was dark" until he learned about Jesus. "Waengongi (the Creator) used his son's blood like soap. He cleaned it and I saw a new trail. Then I saw it's enough," he said, referring to tribal killings. The violence had to stop. "Waengongi said, 'Come follow my trail, living well.'"

The most touching portion of the article IMO. The story of God's salvation told in the language of a tribal

33 posted on 01/21/2006 6:30:23 AM PST by Moorings
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To: VOA; ItsOurTimeNow

This isn't about money. 50% of the proceeds goes to Steve Saint's non-profit organization that serves indigenous people.

You should all read more about Mart's background and the history of this project before you throw any stones. Go see the movie and judge for yourself it's message. As usual the controversy just brings more distraction from the actual movie.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/interviews/martgreen.html


34 posted on 01/23/2006 11:42:11 AM PST by No Fool ("He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." Jim Elliot 1927-1956)
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To: All

Aha...I found a theater about 30 miles from here where the movie is playing....going to see it this afternoon.

The local paper gave the movie a bad review...said the actors were amateurs and doesn't agree with the missionaries going "way over there" to try and spread their religion. I'm not paying any attention to the review...because if they don't understand missionary work, they won't understand or like the movie.

The previews I saw on TV look like it will be an excellent movie.


35 posted on 01/24/2006 7:21:25 AM PST by slipper ("never thought I'd live to see the day when .........")
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