Female detainees set free in Iraq (appeasing Jill Carroll's kidnappers)

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[jwpjr]

re: I don't know if that would lessen America's will to fight

Sadly, these animals don't understand our standards any more than we understand their's. Killing this hostage will only increase America's will to fight. Although judging from how quickly the Left and the MSM forgot about 9/11 it could have just the opposite effect.

Time to make a stand.

[Allegra]

The do these boneheaded things because they are of the liberal mindset and simply don't understand or accept that there are people in this world who are evil, not misunderstood or misguided but purely evil, who will not bat an eye at beheading them.

I know this.

This type of stupidity still irritates me.

It's why I don't "get" liberals and hope I never do.

[Flavius Josephus]

If the muslamofascist pigs hurt that all American looking gal I dont know if that would lessen America's will to fight... I would say...lets go thermobaric on the bass turds myself... And then take out Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia while we are at it.

But the worst part is we wouldn't do any of that.

Pretty sad that we seem to care more because she's good looking. But it's true, I do. I mean, I care about all of them, but this one really gets you where you live.

It sounds like she got sucked into this situation by this cleric she was supposed to meet. I imagine they targeted her just *because* she is young and attractive. That they mean business is evident since they killed one of her posse.

Call me old fashioned, call me chauvinistic, but as bad as Perle and the truck driver's murders were, this one is making me sick.

[SmoothTalker]

"Bad precedent, if true."

Very bad if true. Iraq is already a madhouse. It'll get a hundred times worse if terrorists think these tactics will be effective.

[Flavius Josephus]

I'm sorry, I meant Nick Berg, not Perle the Neocon.

[nmh]

Take care. Be safe. I'm sure there are many praying for you here.

This is one stupid little girl. How naive can you get. It's almost as though she has a death wish. Another journalist was VERY lucky. Word hadn't gotten out yet about his kidnapping. His driver was killed on the spot. It was pure luck that our military was searching houses and the VERY HOUSE HE WAS IN! That's how he was found and rescued.

[jwpjr]

It should be made perfectly and completely clear that if you get captured over there you are on your own. No America fighting person is going to risk life or limb to save you and we're certainly not going to do ANYTHING that even remotely smacks of giving in to their demands.

If an American patrol happens to find you by accident, as happened to the Scott reporter not long ago, just count it as your lucky day.

It would be different if these people limited their misguided thinking and actions to Iraq, but they don't. Look at the crying and moaning for Tootsie. A cold blooded killer who deserved to die long before he had a chance to write children's books.

Sigh.....

[freebird5850]

I agree, no negotiating with terrorists...negotiate should not even be associated with those prople.

[Allegra]

It was pure luck that our military was searching houses and the VERY HOUSE HE WAS IN! That's how he was found and rescued.

Yes, he was VERY lucky.

The thing is, while the media refuses to report much of the good that is happening here and the progress, they also don't report all of the terror that happens every day here. They can't - there's too much of it. There are frequent firefights in the streets, particularly downtown near the Green Zone and the government buildings, there are mortar and rocket attacks frequently that don't get reported because fortunately nobody loses a life, (but they can scare the heck out of you when they come in close) and anybody who has been here for any length of time knows that danger lurks on every street.

It's not unusual for me to hear gunfire as I'm getting dressed in the mornings or mortar rounds at various times of the day. Heck, I sleep through that stuff now.

To take your chances out there just to get an interview is ridiculous. Why anybody, ESPECIALLY an American would try something like that is beyond me.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

hope they chipped them. they'll prolly kill her anyways

[MAWG]

She is already dead. Probably killed the first or second day. Tape was made then.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

some of her writings

Toughest commute in Iraq? The six miles to the airport.
By Jill Carroll and Dan murphy

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0426/p01s03-woiq.html

Factions join hands against constitution
Iraq's Sunni Leadership and the firebrand Shiite cleric Sadr both oppose federalism.
By Jill Carroll | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0829/p11s01-woiq.html

Violence threatens Iraqi coalition [by Jill Carroll]

http://www.mentalmayhem.org/newswire/2006/01/violence_threat.html

Letter from Baghdad [by Jill Carroll]

http://www.mentalmayhem.org/newswire/2006/01/letter_from_bag.html

Sunnis, Secular Iraqis Demand Vote Review
by Jill Carroll and Farai Chideya

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5074191

Stories by Jill Carroll
Mourning Marla
Intrepid humanitarian aid worker Marla Ruzicka died in Baghdad Saturday when her car was caught in an insurgent attack. Posted on Apr 18, 2005
The Evolution of an Insurgency
Attacks on U.S. troops may be down since January, but they are also getting much more sophisticated.
Posted on Apr 11, 2005
Two Years After the War
An unrelenting insurgency, pervasive chaos, little electricity or water, and widespread unemployment. After two years of occupation, Iraq looks pretty much the same. Posted on Mar 21, 2005

http://www.alternet.org/authors/7105/

United and divided Iraq War By Jill Carroll - Salon - February 7, 2005
Mourning Marla Iraq War By Jill Carroll - Alternet - April 18, 2005

http://www.neverwillbes.com/index.php?q=author:Jill-Carroll

Iraq's Democracy Dilemma
By Jill Carroll
The Christian Science Monitor
September 22, 2005
http://www.epic-usa.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1837

Deadline Long Passed, Iraqis Still Wrangle Over Constitution
By Jill Carroll
The Christian Science Monitor
September 14, 2005
http://www.epic-usa.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1802

United and divided
Newly empowered Shiites are wrangling over religion and politics as ayatollahs, and the U.S., seek to shape Iraq's new government By Jill Carroll

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/02/08/iraq/index_np.html

[goodnesswins]

Did I hear right, and they did kill Jill Carroll?

[Flavius Josephus]

I don't know that they've killed her, I pray not. They did kill one of the people with her... They shot the driver but I think he survived.

[ZULU]

They interviewed an author on FOX News today who wrote a new book called "Imperial Hybris". The author claims that both political parties are being disingenuous with the American public in leading them to beleive we can we win a "sanitized" war with minimal civilian damage. He noted that we did not think this was with Dresden and Hieroshima.

I believe the author is correct.

We are involved in a life and death struggle with a fanatical enemy determined to kill as many of us as necessary to impose a totalitarian religious theocracy on the world. We need a mindset that meets theirs, i.e. a determination to kill as many people as necessary in order to stop them.

We demonstrated in Fallujah that concerns for "innocent" civilians are a greater priority than crushing the life out of them and those who may support them in any way.

This is merely another regression into what the author implies in that book. Thanks to John McCain, we are unable to exert the kind of psychological and physical leaverage necesssary to resolve issues like this successfully.

The proper way to deal with hostage situations like this is to intensify our efforts to locate these fiends, using whatever physical force is necessary againt whatever people we have in custody who may be linked to them, and then destroy them as soon as we locate them. In the event we are unable to accomplish this, we should make it perfectly clear to them that should they carry out their threat, we will select ten of the individuals that they are seeking to liberate through this blackmail, and whom we have in custody, at random, and hang them. And if the journalist is murdered, DO IT.

We can't expect to employ philosophical techniques honed after centuries of civilized evolution on people who still have a pre-Medieval mentality.

[churchillbuff]

I'm sorry Jill Carroll got abducted, but she shouldn't have been gallivanting around Baghdad as if it's New York City. I have a hard time garnering sympathy for someone who does boneheaded things like that."""

Right. Who would expect that there would be any safety or security in Bagdhad? It's only the capital of the country that the US invaded and is occupying. And the occupation is going well! But the capital is so unsafe that only stupid people "gallivant" around in it. Gosh, I'm confused.